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David O'Day

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,396
Raab is a tad shite ain't he.

Keanu Reeves is more convincing
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,397
Everytime I watch this press conference, the media waste questions

The BBC just asked one to Raab as to when are we likely to expect the lockdown measures to be reduced.

Why ask when no one knows an accurate date? There's not point getting people's hopes up.

Three weeks at a time as described at the start of the lockdown.

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Johnnythespider

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,398
skyblue1991 said:
Everytime I watch this press conference, the media waste questions

The BBC just asked one to Raab as to when are we likely to expect the lockdown measures to be reduced.

Why ask when no one knows an accurate date? There's not point getting people's hopes up.

Three weeks at a time as described at the start of the lockdown.

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Kuenssberg is beyond useless
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,399
Johnnythespider said:
Kuenssberg is beyond useless
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Not to the Tories she's not!
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,400
Ian1779 said:
These aren’t allegations - these come from actual conversations because one of the idiots downloaded their entire WhatsApp group conversations onto their work computer which was the property of the Labour Party.
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Look at what I said again.

Those that can be proven without a doubt should at least be suspended. This will include those where you can see the comments.

The others I mentioned will be those where you can't see any evidence. That can't be those where you can see the conversations you have brought up again.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,401
chiefdave said:
Don't think its a great idea for government advisers to be saying that. Already got people not paying attention to the guidelines, saying they might not be doing any good is just going to undermine efforts to get everyone to do as they are told.
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Yeah but it's in health and social care settings

Not the wider community AFAIK.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,402
chiefdave said:
I've ended up in a strange parallel world where Piers Morgan is the voice of reason. Nadine Dorries tweeted that full lockdown would last until a vaccine is found. Morgan picked up on it tweeting "Health minister says UK will be in ‘full lockdown’ until there is COVID-19 vaccine - which experts say will be at least 18 months. Astonishing break from other Govt statements". She's now outright denying she said it.

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Piers morgan is just trying to stir up as much anger as he can.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,403
clint van damme said:
Not to the Tories she's not!
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Anyone see Nahga with John Ashton this morning?
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,404
Nick said:
Piers morgan is just trying to stir up as much anger as he can.
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She was talking nonsense as her brief is above her.

Hancocks comments about Neil Ferguson were those of a petulant child.

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wingy

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,405
Johnnythespider said:
Kuenssberg is beyond useless
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Tbf the whole pack have been pushing this for close to a week now.
Utter waste of time .
Very hard to understand the reasoning.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,406
David O'Day said:
She was talking nonsense as her brief is above her.

Hancocks comments about Neil Ferguson were those of a petulant child.

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Which was what,?
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,407
wingy said:
Anyone see Nahga with John Ashton this morning?
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John Ashton does gave am axe to grind over his sacking so I'd take what he says with a pinch of salt

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David O'Day

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,408
wingy said:
Which was what,?
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His he advises the government he's not o .the government wibbling

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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,409
skyblue1991 said:
Everytime I watch this press conference, the media waste questions

The BBC just asked one to Raab as to when are we likely to expect the lockdown measures to be reduced.

Why ask when no one knows an accurate date? There's not point getting people's hopes up.

Three weeks at a time as described at the start of the lockdown.

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It’s the same every day. Pushing for answers that the government don’t know/won’t give at present and/or repeating questions already asked by others (in different words).

I think the daily press briefings are worth having (a useful update for those that want it) but if anyone’s looking for anything groundbreaking on a daily basis they’re going to be disappointed. The monotonous/repetitive messaging might be dull but on the face of it, looking at the numbers following the measures, it does appear to have been successful to date
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,410
Ian1779 said:
Tory plants...
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Stealing all the light from the other plants?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,411
Ian1779 said:
These aren’t allegations - these come from actual conversations because one of the idiots downloaded their entire WhatsApp group conversations onto their work computer which was the property of the Labour Party.
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We’ve only got the person who made the reports word they’re unedited TBF, there are already people claiming they’ve been edited, taken out of context, or plain made up.

And the law isn’t cut and dried about accessing private data just because you found it on a work machine. If the person can prove an expectation of privacy then it’s still protected.

This whole thing is going to be a massive legal mess which I suspect Starmer as a former lawyer is well aware of and is why he’s not storming around sacking everyone mentioned and their spouse as some have been calling for. There’s going to be GDPR fines, libel cases brought, it’s going to be a shitshow of epic proportions.

I expect the staffers that remain will leave as their position is untenable but I can’t see him wanting to set a precedent around sacking people for private conversations. I’ve not seen the racism yet. Read an Ask Sarkar piece that claimed being mean about Abbott was racist but it didn’t back it up other than to say “she’s black so it’s racist”, I think there was something about Douglas Murray saying moderate Islam had questions to answer about terrorism, which again is borderline. The worst people like the guy ignoring AS emails have already gone. Much of the really bad behaviour was over three years ago.

As for non staffers, I’d expect Iain McNicol to not get a SC position and that’s about it.

The most frustrating thing is it’s just blown open all the factional crap again just as we were starting with a new leader. It’s clearly been leaked to get the membership riled up rather than actually achieve anything internally.

I say all of this and I still haven’t read the whole thing yet, just going off reports.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,412
bezzer said:
Have you not noticed the cuts to Police Numbers, closure of fire stations, reduction in volunteer firefighters, ambulance station closures? Where have you been for the past 10 years?? If, god forbid, the services you mentioned were added to the the Emergency services infrastructure, do you really think they'd be immune to cutbacks?

Keep them away from the grubby hands of the treasury and political interference.
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So I assume therefore you want ambulances, police and fire services to be removed from public funding and run solely on donations from the public and manned by volunteers like the RNLI, mountain rescue and air ambulance are?
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,413
shmmeee said:
We’ve only got the person who made the reports word they’re unedited TBF, there are already people claiming they’ve been edited, taken out of context, or plain made up.

And the law isn’t cut and dried about accessing private data just because you found it on a work machine. If the person can prove an expectation of privacy then it’s still protected.

This whole thing is going to be a massive legal mess which I suspect Starmer as a former lawyer is well aware of and is why he’s not storming around sacking everyone mentioned and their spouse as some have been calling for. There’s going to be GDPR fines, libel cases brought, it’s going to be a shitshow of epic proportions.

I expect the staffers that remain will leave as their position is untenable but I can’t see him wanting to set a precedent around sacking people for private conversations. I’ve not seen the racism yet. Read an Ask Sarkar piece that claimed being mean about Abbott was racist but it didn’t back it up other than to say “she’s black so it’s racist”, I think there was something about Douglas Murray saying moderate Islam had questions to answer about terrorism, which again is borderline. The worst people like the guy ignoring AS emails have already gone. Much of the really bad behaviour was over three years ago.

As for non staffers, I’d expect Iain McNicol to not get a SC position and that’s about it.

The most frustrating thing is it’s just blown open all the factional crap again just as we were starting with a new leader. It’s clearly been leaked to get the membership riled up rather than actually achieve anything internally.

I say all of this and I still haven’t read the whole thing yet, just going off reports.
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The shes black so it's racist comment could easily be supplanted with shes Jewish so it's antisemitic in certain incidents.
Look at the spurious evidence against Marc Wadsworth in the Ruth Smeeth incident yet he got expelled


The tit for tat has got a long way to go unless Starmer can.prove himself to be the shrewdess of operators and find a way to nip it in the bud.

I see some of the staffers Are trying to stop their branch of Unite sending out a solidarity letter to BAME MPs as it implies guilt. They may have a point but you know how that's going to play out.
Too many people want their pound of flesh now.
Like I say, Starmer is going to.need to do something very impressive to get a grip on all of this.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,414
clint van damme said:
Too many people want their pound of flesh now..
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Is it wise to use a term associated to a Jewish Shakespearean character?
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,415
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Is it wise to use a term associated to a Jewish Shakespearean character?
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When you don't know the character is Jewish I'm not sure you have a choice!
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,416
Libel and Gdpr claims not going to happen. If you are using a work machine you have no expectation of privacy and your name is not a large breach if 1 at all.

They could try and sue individual users who then reposted the reports without their names redacted but that would be a stretch as well.

They were stupid enough to save WhatsApp chats about their employers on a work computer. Fuck em

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David O'Day

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,417
The tory on question time is really shit

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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,418
So these “care” badges Hancock is waving around... the government is charging £1.20 each for them, minimum order quantity 100..

Germany tested 1.3m people, we tried to flog some badges around hospitals- whoever it was that asked what why Germany have done so much better than us, that’s kind of a good illustration why
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,419
clint van damme said:
The shes black so it's racist comment could easily be supplanted with shes Jewish so it's antisemitic in certain incidents.
Look at the spurious evidence against Marc Wadsworth in the Ruth Smeeth incident yet he got expelled


The tit for tat has got a long way to go unless Starmer can.prove himself to be the shrewdess of operators and find a way to nip it in the bud.

I see some of the staffers Are trying to stop their branch of Unite sending out a solidarity letter to BAME MPs as it implies guilt. They may have a point but you know how that's going to play out.
Too many people want their pound of flesh now.
Like I say, Starmer is going to.need to do something very impressive to get a grip on all of this.
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Yeah I totally agree about the Jewish thing.

It’s such a clusterfuck man. We’ve built this environment where mere accusations of racism are virtually impossible to disprove as it’s all down to “tropes” or “feelings of the oppressed” so all you can do is resign and apologise. Hand that weapon to a pair of factions constantly at each other throats and it’s mutually assured destruction. Meanwhile the public looks on in disbelief, or more accurately rolls their eyes and ignores us.

Reading more and there’s definitely some shit behaviour in there. He’s going to have to take action but in the middle of this you’ve got the ECHR investigation and not GDPR and libel cases you’re trying not to prejudice.

Honestly worried this could kill the party. If not because of members leaving then the financial impact.

Ring Of Steel said:
So these “care” badges Hancock is waving around... the government is charging £1.20 each for them, minimum order quantity 100..

Germany tested 1.3m people, we tried to flog some badges around hospitals- whoever it was that asked what why Germany have done so much better than us, that’s kind of a good illustration why
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The more you look into this the worse it gets. It’s not even a new scheme for this, it was launched in June 2019! The government have just basically publicised it. Absolute jokers.
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,420
shmmeee said:
Yeah I totally agree about the Jewish thing.

It’s such a clusterfuck man. We’ve built this environment where mere accusations of racism are virtually impossible to disprove as it’s all down to “tropes” or “feelings of the oppressed” so all you can do is resign and apologise. Hand that weapon to a pair of factions constantly at each other throats and it’s mutually assured destruction. Meanwhile the public looks on in disbelief, or more accurately rolls their eyes and ignores us.

Reading more and there’s definitely some shit behaviour in there. He’s going to have to take action but in the middle of this you’ve got the ECHR investigation and not GDPR and libel cases you’re trying not to prejudice.

Honestly worried this could kill the party. If not because of members leaving then the financial impact.



The more you look into this the worse it gets. It’s not even a new scheme for this, it was launched in June 2019! The government have just basically publicised it. Absolute jokers.
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I didn’t know that- makes it worse. You have to wonder whether they are having some kind of collective nervous breakdown or buckling under the pressure. What kind of mind thinks that doing that is what people want to hear and what they want done? You’d know more than me but it feels from a distance like the penny has finally dropped, and the voices saying “they’re doing a good job” are getting fewer and further between.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,421
Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
Mark my words just what we need
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,422
westcountry_skyblue said:
Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
Mark my words just what we need
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and is that serious or an attempt at a wind-up?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,423
westcountry_skyblue said:
Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
Mark my words just what we need
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Haha oh dear mate you’ve opened yourself up to all the lefties on here now
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,424
Will be a good watch tonight, will be interesting to see how they are planning on reopening
 

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shmmeee

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,425
westcountry_skyblue said:
Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
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No way Raab wins the Tory leadership contest.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,426
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Haha oh dear mate you’ve opened yourself up to all the lefties on here now
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Or perhaps he's opened himself up to people who don't like cretins running the country no matter what political beliefs they have.

One minute you're a terrified child, next you're asking the same questions over & over again and not having a clue what anything means, the next you're a cute little mascot for anyone you perceive to be "on the right". Pick a persona and stick with it, and smarten up ffs
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,427
shmmeee said:
No way Raab wins the Tory leadership contest.
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I don’t know. He has all the right qualities. None.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,428
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Will be a good watch tonight, will be interesting to see how they are planning on reopening
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You missed it
 
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chiefdave

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,429
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Will be a good watch tonight, will be interesting to see how they are planning on reopening
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Guess someone has told Trump he doesn't have absolute power as he's had to go back on what he said earlier in the week and leave it up to the governor of each state.

The plan doesn't really contain anything of use. It basically says when cases start dropping things can gradually reopen.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 16, 2020
  • #17,430
Brazil and USA dont deserve what they are about to experience. Trump still thinks acting tough and being decisive and arrogant are marks of leadership and he’s wrong.
 
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