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clint van damme

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,151
David O'Day said:
Is the little prick defending releasing potentially infected patients into environments chocka with the eldest and most vulnerable without testing them first?

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His comment was could Shmmeee do better?
Don't recall Shmmeee putting himself forward as a competent politician and taking the wage and associated benefits in return for serving and being answerable to the UK public.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,152
chiefdave said:
I've been waiting for someone in government to issue a correction over what Hancock said as it seems unthinkable that we were actually sending infected people into social care with some of the most vulnerable in society. Goes beyond incompetence.
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And we wouldn't need to if Hancock himself had procured effective testing kits

The first lot he did get were duds.
I wouldn't trust the fucker make the tea
 

covmark

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,153
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah because ‘shmmeee’ would do sooooo much better, deluded
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Have a day off mate. There's no defence for these clowns. Not only should heads roll from this shit show of a government, but some of them should be up on criminal charges.
What's happened here is fucking scandalous.

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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,154
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah because ‘shmmeee’ would do sooooo much better, deluded
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lol, a fucking 10 year old could probably come up with a better plan than 'send potentially infected people into isolated communities of highly vulnerable people'
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,155
clint van damme said:
You can't be more than 13 surely?
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(Troll)
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,156
chiefdave said:
Are todays likely to be lower 'weekend' type numbers because of the bank holiday and then a jump tomorrow? Cautiously optimistic if these are regular numbers. The next problem will be there is no sign of an exit plan.
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Personally, I'd rather see how it goes in other countries loosening restrictions first
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,157
covmark said:
Have a day off mate. There's no defence for these clowns. Not only should heads roll from this shit show of a government, but some of them should be up on criminal charges.
What's happened here is fucking scandalous.

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Hardly defending them was i, I think our testing has been dreadful
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,158
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah we should be testing everyone, I’ve criticised the government more than people on here for it, doesn’t mean everyone needs to think they are experts on the situation eg shmmeee
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Nobody is pretending to be an expert when they point out that sending people with a deadly contagious virus into a place where a number of the most vulnerable people live is not a good idea.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,159
fernandopartridge said:
Nobody is pretending to be an expert when they point out that sending people with a deadly contagious virus into a place where a number of the most vulnerable people live is not a good idea.
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Yeah well we need to test them all then don’t we
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,160
fernandopartridge said:
Nobody is pretending to be an expert when they point out that sending people with a deadly contagious virus into a place where a number of the most vulnerable people live is not a good idea.
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It seems mad that they have even been doing it.

I can't get my head around it

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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,161
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah well we need to test them all then don’t we
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Yep, and we need to create provision for them to either remain in hospital or go to an intermediate place until they're no longer shedding virus. I'd suggest keeping them in hospital is probably the best idea as there appears to be the bed capacity to do so.

Not just throw them out and hope!
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,162
David O'Day said:
It seems mad that they have even been doi g it.

I can't get my head around it

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It's the way Hancock announces it like this is some great idea. That we're all going to be amazed by this ground breaking proposal.

Look how brilliant we are, I can now announce that as of today we are doing blah blah....

Should have been doing it 6 weeks ago you prick.
 

hill83

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,163
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,164
chiefdave said:
Are todays likely to be lower 'weekend' type numbers because of the bank holiday and then a jump tomorrow? Cautiously optimistic if these are regular numbers. The next problem will be there is no sign of an exit plan.
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No these are yesterday’s numbers so proper ones. That’s several days of steady numbers now, should see them dropping soon.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,165
PVA said:
It's the way Hancock announces it like this is some great idea. That we're all going to be amazed by this ground breaking proposal.

Look how brilliant we are, I can now announce that as of today we are doing blah blah....

Should have been doing it 6 weeks ago you prick.
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It's mad, genuinely can not get my head around it

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David O'Day

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,166
Is Hancock doing the 5pm briefing?

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shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,167
Deleted member 5849 said:
Personally, I'd rather see how it goes in other countries loosening restrictions first
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Is anywhere outside of China or Iran (who we don’t believe) at that point yet?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,168
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Hardly defending them was i, I think our testing has been dreadful
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Fair enough - it has been. But don't you think it'd only take a tiny amount of intelligence for one member of government or one of their advisors to come up "hang on, the elderly are incredibly susceptible to this virus. Is it a good idea to send people from the places that are full of people with the infection into the places not only filled with the elderly but the most frail and vulnerable elderly without testing them? Could that in any way have a negative outcome?"

It's basically finding a fox, picking it up and putting it into the hen house. At best it's staggeringly incompetent and given some of this governments advisors takes on eugenics etc the worst doesn't even bear contemplating.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,169
David O'Day said:
Is Hancock doing the 5pm briefing?

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Hancock's Half Hour
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,170
shmmeee said:
Is anywhere outside of China or Iran (who we don’t believe) at that point yet?
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Who's going to be first to blink? Get *that* wrong and it's a career ender
 
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LastGarrison

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,171
shmmeee said:
Is anywhere outside of China or Iran (who we don’t believe) at that point yet?
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Denmark have started sending some kids back to school I believe.

Also, someone (Tisza?) mentioned that Poland was loosening but I haven't heard of anything like this from any of my clients over there.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,172
LastGarrison said:
Denmark have started sending some kids back to school I believe.

Also, someone (Tisza?) mentioned that Poland was loosening but I haven't heard of anything like this from any of my clients over there.
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Germany are thinking of it
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,173
LastGarrison said:
Mine got 2!!
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How horrible. Putting nurses through that trauma.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,174
LastGarrison said:
Denmark have started sending some kids back to school I believe.

Also, someone (Tisza?) mentioned that Poland was loosening but I haven't heard of anything like this from any of my clients over there.
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Was speaking to a UK based Polish girl at work today. She said that they were
still locked down .
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,175
Regarding the testing of residents/patients returning to care homes, I think some of the comments, about what is ultimately an additional precautionary measure, such as facilitated manslaughter, murder etc etc are way over the top

presumably this is only able to happen now due to the limited testing capacity and the previous focus on testing those admitted to hospital for showing symptoms and then the nhs workers and their families (if they have been self isolating). Correct in my view

As far as I’m aware coronavirus patients are kept in separate units away from general wards so you would hope that IF procedures had been followed (and PPE available etc) the transferred individuals wouldn’t have a significantly higher chance of being infected (and be asymptomatic as presuming if they are showing symptoms they won’t be moved into the care home in the first place) than say a worker or anyone else coming into the care home from the outside world that day ? - we aren’t expecting all of those individuals to be tested daily

Again, Im not saying the inability to test higher numbers before now isn’t a major issue, but some of the comments on here are a step too far


Ps I was actually feeling a little more positive after seeing the case numbers today, probably should’ve stuck to avoiding this thread !
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,176
LastGarrison said:
Denmark have started sending some kids back to school I believe.

Also, someone (Tisza?) mentioned that Poland was loosening but I haven't heard of anything like this from any of my clients over there.
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Just reading up on it, seems they locked down 12 days before us and tighter. Sending back kids under 11 now.

Few other places like Austria and Czech Republic too. Reading about Sweden and it’s a little misleading to say they haven’t locked down IMO, apparently they have a work from home culture already and over half are doing that, while travel networks are down 50%, plus they’re sensible in terms of health and washing hands and stuff, so they’ve done a lot of the same stuff without having to be told.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,177
shmmeee said:
Just reading up on it, seems they locked down 12 days before us and tighter. Sending back kids under 11 now.

Few other places like Austria and Czech Republic too. Reading about Sweden and it’s a little misleading to say they haven’t locked down IMO, apparently they have a work from home culture already and over half are doing that, while travel networks are down 50%, plus they’re sensible in terms of health and washing hands and stuff, so they’ve done a lot of the same stuff without having to be told.
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I had a brief conversation with a mate earlier whose missus is Slovakian.
He said they introduced very few measures but they closed their borders and made mask wearing compulsory early on and they havent been affected too badly.

He often gets the wrong end of the stick but if it's true then that's quite interesting re: mask wearing.

Edit: just checked
They introduced quite stringent measures. Worked though
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,178
shmmeee said:
Just reading up on it, seems they locked down 12 days before us and tighter. Sending back kids under 11 now.

Few other places like Austria and Czech Republic too. Reading about Sweden and it’s a little misleading to say they haven’t locked down IMO, apparently they have a work from home culture already and over half are doing that, while travel networks are down 50%, plus they’re sensible in terms of health and washing hands and stuff, so they’ve done a lot of the same stuff without having to be told.
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Also read something about Sweden having the highest population of people living alone in Europe (don’t quote me on that but definitely a higher proportion than most)

maybe I should head over there and try my luck once all this is over !
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,179
clint van damme said:
I had a brief conversation with a mate earlier whose missus is Slovakian.
He said they introduced very few measures but they closed their borders and made mask wearing compulsory early on and they havent been affected too badly.

He often gets the wrong end of the stick but if it's true then that's quite interesting re: mask wearing.
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Looking at wiki it says they started screening air passengers for temperature in Feb, closed schools early March, closed all events venues and closed borders before the masks thing on 15th March, then closed all non essential stores.

They’re not even at the outbreak stage yet, only 2 deaths. On the 14th March they’d had a total of 44 cases, first death wasn’t until the 18th when they were already locked down.

Looks like their problem will be an outbreak when lockdown removed.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,180
Sorry if this has been posted already but on a more positive/heart warming note did everyone see the old fella who is doing a sponsored back garden walk (100
Lengths of his garden before his 100th birthday I think)

He was aiming to raise £1k....already over £7m !!!! Legend !
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,181
shmmeee said:
Looking at wiki it says they started screening air passengers for temperature in Feb, closed schools early March, closed all events venues and closed borders before the masks thing on 15th March, then closed all non essential stores.

They’re not even at the outbreak stage yet, only 2 deaths. On the 14th March they’d had a total of 44 cases, first death wasn’t until the 18th when they were already locked down.

Looks like their problem will be an outbreak when lockdown removed.
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Yeah. Just checked and edited my post.
Their measures were quite strict though seemed to have worked so far.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,182
CCFCSteve said:
Also read something about Sweden having the highest population of people living alone in Europe (don’t quote me on that but definitely a higher proportion than most)

maybe I should head over there and try my luck once all this is over !
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I think you’re right. They have an interesting culture there where kids are seen as independent much more and for example education is their right not their parents if that makes sense. Apparently leads to them moving out almost as soon as they hit adulthood. Average age is 18-19 instead of 26 across the EU.

Politically it’s a fascinating cultural mix of independence and social infrastructure enabling it. I’m a big fan of the Swedes (and their women).
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,183
CCFCSteve said:
Sorry if this has been posted already but on a more positive/heart warming note did everyone see the old fella who is doing a sponsored back garden walk (100
Lengths of his garden before his 100th birthday I think)

He was aiming to raise £1k....already over £7m !!!! Legend !
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First heard this story yesterday and it was £1m, then saw it a bit later £2m, this morning on FB it was at £5m, now £7m!

At this rate this guy will be funding more of the NHS than the government!
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,184
shmmeee said:
Looking at wiki it says they started screening air passengers for temperature in Feb, closed schools early March, closed all events venues and closed borders before the masks thing on 15th March, then closed all non essential stores.

They’re not even at the outbreak stage yet, only 2 deaths. On the 14th March they’d had a total of 44 cases, first death wasn’t until the 18th when they were already locked down.

Looks like their problem will be an outbreak when lockdown removed.
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Spot on. This is why we won’t know about all the steps taken and timings etc until this nightmare is over. Obviously if a vaccine is discovered quickly (or they remain closed off until we do) that strategy will be perfect, unfortunately I don’t think it will be that straightforward
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,185
CCFCSteve said:
Regarding the testing of residents/patients returning to care homes, I think some of the comments, about what is ultimately an additional precautionary measure, such as facilitated manslaughter, murder etc etc are way over the top

presumably this is only able to happen now due to the limited testing capacity and the previous focus on testing those admitted to hospital for showing symptoms and then the nhs workers and their families (if they have been self isolating). Correct in my view

As far as I’m aware coronavirus patients are kept in separate units away from general wards so you would hope that IF procedures had been followed (and PPE available etc) the transferred individuals wouldn’t have a significantly higher chance of being infected (and be asymptomatic as presuming if they are showing symptoms they won’t be moved into the care home in the first place) than say a worker or anyone else coming into the care home from the outside world that day ? - we aren’t expecting all of those individuals to be tested daily

Again, Im not saying the inability to test higher numbers before now isn’t a major issue, but some of the comments on here are a step too far


Ps I was actually feeling a little more positive after seeing the case numbers today, probably should’ve stuck to avoiding this thread !
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There is no way in hell you can stand over the conscious decision to not test people in care homes. You just can't. You are knowingly sending people to- at best- sickness and a good chance of death. Call the terminology over the top if you like, perhaps "murderous negligence" might be better, but you cannot justify, explain away or justify what is happening in care homes.
 
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