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shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,081
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I'm not sure what metrics you're using to come to that conclusion.....France have more deaths, more cases, more critical cases & less testing.....

....I'd say were both doing pretty shit....but France are marginally shitter....
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We don’t have fewer deaths, France counts care homes and we don’t. On an even measure we’re ahead of them.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,082
shmmeee said:
We don’t have fewer deaths, France counts care homes and we don’t. On an even measure we’re ahead of them.
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Yes, I've just read that they've included care home figures....BUT only since 5th April...but they do have thousands more critical cases in hospitals & less testing....so in order to not split any more hairs, lets agree both countries are not doing a very good job
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,083
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Yes, I've just read that they've included care home figures....BUT only since 5th April...but they do have thousands more critical cases in hospitals & less testing....so in order to not split any more hairs, lets agree both countries are not doing a very good job
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I still think it’s far too early to rank countries TBF. Lots of analysis to be done once it’s all over and extra waves are done.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,084
shmmeee said:
I still think it’s far too early to rank countries TBF. Lots of analysis to be done once it’s all over and extra waves are done.
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Oh agree totally.....I was just backing Maccas claim that a better comparison for the UK would be France as opposed to Ireland
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,085
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Yes, I've just read that they've included care home figures....BUT only since 5th April...but they do have thousands more critical cases in hospitals & less testing....so in order to not split any more hairs, lets agree both countries are not doing a very good job
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Is that data there for us

IE critical cases?
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,086
wingy said:
Is that data there for us

IE critical cases?
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I just got it from the site below wingy.....France over 6.5K vs. UK at around 1.5K critical cases

Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,008,251 Cases and 127,168 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,087
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Oh agree totally.....I was just backing Maccas claim that a better comparison for the UK would be France as opposed to Ireland
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The article explains the reasons why UK and Ireland are very similar - islands, similar underfunded NHS funding systems similar ICU spaces etc.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,088
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
The article explains the reasons why UK and Ireland are very similar - islands, similar underfunded NHS funding systems similar ICU spaces etc.
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One big difference is testing, Ireland doing much more of it, also deaths include at home and in care homes. I didn’t realise that the comparison was so big in terms of the impact.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,089
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
The article explains the reasons why UK and Ireland are very similar - islands, similar underfunded NHS funding systems similar ICU spaces etc.
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I read it a couple days ago....it makes some very valid points.....but France is still a far better comparison IMHO.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,090
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I'm not sure what metrics you're using to come to that conclusion.....France have more deaths, more cases, more critical cases & less testing.....

....I'd say were both doing pretty shit....but France are marginally shitter....
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The big difference is the cases and deaths have started reducing in France. And Macron has admitted that they could have handled the situation much better. Can you see Boris making such an admission? We are still not being strict enough.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,091
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I just got it from the site below wingy.....France over 6.5K vs. UK at around 1.5K critical cases

Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,008,251 Cases and 127,168 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
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The UK doesn't keep the list of critical cases up to date, that will be a snapshot from a date recently. It was 163 for quite a while so had increased nearly 10 fold.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,092
Astute said:
The big difference is the cases and deaths have started reducing in France. And Macron has admitted that they could have handled the situation much better. Can you see Boris making such an admission? We are still not being strict enough.
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He made the admission as before this virus his popularity was through the floor - let’s not kid ourselves here this virus and the ensuing all in together spirit is helping save his neck
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,093
dutchman said:
In Holland they're all 'hairdressers' I'm told. Ask where you can buy drugs and you'll be directed to the nearest hair salon. The local poilce are apparently 'oblivious' to this activity which has earned them a lot of derision.
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Yeah. Have you seen the amount of barbers down FGS? That's a lot of men needing a haircut in such a small area.....
 

Astute

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,094
Grendel said:
He made the admission as before this virus his popularity was through the floor - let’s not kid ourselves here this virus and the ensuing all in together spirit is helping save his neck
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Are you saying Macron has admitted that they could have handled the situation much better so people will suddenly like him?

And is it an admission that the Tories are not being truthful to us because they have a big lead?

Macron is a lot better than your beloved Boris. He has been saying it how it is. He has shown compassion. He gives regular updates on what they are doing. He says how it is and not what everyone wants to hear. If he doesn't have up to date information he rearranges the update and says when it will be. They are even looking at how to help our expats.

Would you like to compare this to the Tories? I fancy reading a fairy tale.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,095
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yeah. Have you seen the amount of barbers down FGS? That's a lot of men needing a haircut in such a small area.....
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My barber was complaining about this. People coming in with no skills because it’s easy to claim on immigration you’re a hairdresser apparently. Though he can be a bit Brexity so take that with a pinch of salt.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,096
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yeah. Have you seen the amount of barbers down FGS? That's a lot of men needing a haircut in such a small area.....
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Maybe it isn't such a small area that needs trimming as they get more than the hair on their head trimmed.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,097
clint van damme said:
back in work today. Got an e-mail yesterday to say I've been taken off furlough.
This contradicts the original furlough guidelines I was given but apparently they've changed so as far as works concerned I'm expecting to be in out like a violinists elbow for the next few weeks.
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But,but..... G said the furlough scheme was absolutely crystal clear in the guidelines and couldn't/wouldn't be changed.....
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,098
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But,but..... G said the furlough scheme was absolutely crystal clear in the guidelines and couldn't/wouldn't be changed.....
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I want G for our next PM. Otherwise we will struggle to find a replacement for Boris.
 

rondog1973

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,099
Sick Boy said:
To think it’s only a month since The Cheltenham Festival.
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Tory constituency and surrounds impacted by flooding require economic shot in the arm.

Not a political motive for proceeding with the festival, no way....
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,100
Astute said:
Maybe it isn't such a small area that needs trimming as they get more than the hair on their head trimmed.
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Hehe.
Money launderers?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,101
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But,but..... G said the furlough scheme was absolutely crystal clear in the guidelines and couldn't/wouldn't be changed.....
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My employer changing things to suit isn't unheard of but I checked with the union and they said there have been some alterations to the guidelines

Still think they'll be some infringements by my employer before it's all over
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,102
shmmeee said:
My barber was complaining about this. People coming in with no skills because it’s easy to claim on immigration you’re a hairdresser apparently. Though he can be a bit Brexity so take that with a pinch of salt.
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How critical does it need to be
Difference between a good and bad hair cut

Two weeks.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,103
fernandopartridge said:
The UK doesn't keep the list of critical cases up to date, that will be a snapshot from a date recently. It was 163 for quite a while so had increased nearly 10 fold.
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Fair enough FP, I don't doubt it.
Thats all we've got really isn't it?...snapshots with a varying degree of lag.....I even warned about the veracity of all the figures myself on a post a few days ago....yet here I am, referring to them....doh!
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,104
We're still a long way off the target for testing too - not even close to the original target of 25k per day let alone 100k. Why after this long is testing still at low levels?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,105
dutchman said:
In Holland they're all 'hairdressers' I'm told. Ask where you can buy drugs and you'll be directed to the nearest hair salon. The local poilce are apparently 'oblivious' to this activity which has earned them a lot of derision.
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Vape shops are the go-to start-up for washing cash in Liverpool...allegedly. Used to be sunbed salons.....allegedly.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,106
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But,but..... G said the furlough scheme was absolutely crystal clear in the guidelines and couldn't/wouldn't be changed.....
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In fairness to Grendel this looks like clint's employer changing their mind, not the scheme changing.
 

tisza

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,107
Sick Boy said:
To think it’s only a month since The Cheltenham Festival.
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Did the Irish not travel to Cheltenham this year?
My experiences of Cheltenham (work and play) were of huge numbers coming over for the Festival.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,108
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Fair enough FP, I don't doubt it.
Thats all we've got really isn't it?...snapshots with a varying degree of lag.....I even warned about the veracity of all the figures myself on a post a few days ago....yet here I am, referring to them....doh!
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I know, basically all we have our cumulative totals really, they give a broad indication of the acceleration of infection and deaths, but that's it. They don't give any real indication of where people lived as the data is all from hospitals
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,109
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Fair enough FP, I don't doubt it.
Thats all we've got really isn't it?...snapshots with a varying degree of lag.....I even warned about the veracity of all the figures myself on a post a few days ago....yet here I am, referring to them....doh!
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Fair play JHFC, that's why I made the query .
Think that number has been the same for over a week.
afraid going to come across a bit negative toward our own. Country or even Gov't.
However I've made the point before.ay how tardy our nation seems to be comparison to other countries with our point's of data gathering and implementation of rescue flights etc

I can't help wonder if our minimalist or outsourcing of back office Gov't operations have hindered us ,?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,110
tisza said:
Did the Irish not travel to Cheltenham this year?
My experiences of Cheltenham (work and play) were of huge numbers coming over for the Festival.
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Yes they did, I've seen anecdotal reports of people returning to ireland and then showing symptoms of the virus. It may have been mentioned further up this thread.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,111
fernandopartridge said:
In fairness to Grendel this looks like clint's employer changing their mind, not the scheme changing.
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it looks like the guidelines have changed but I'd imagine it's in response to pressure from Employers. The original guidelines did seem a bit restrictive.
There's a bit more flexibility now which makes sense.
It was certainly a bit busier than I thought it would be on the way in this morning though still a long way off what it would be on a normal working day.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,112
Grendel said:
I have no doubt that Trump will be the one leader when balancing the scales of Jobs and public health will go the jobs line unless he’s stopped. He knows his voters will be there if he can prove he’s got people back to work. The American guy on here is not alone with his views on trump despite his increased erratic behaviour. He’s now resembling the fictional character Greg Stilson more and more

It will be interesting how far trump will go with Biden given some of the more outlandish rumours about Biden on the net
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What’s indisputable is that Biden is in major cognitive decline if not worse. There are allegations of sexual assault as well which need investigating but based on how he behaves in public it’s not unbelievable. That and with Biden doing even worse on voter enthusiasm than Hillary I think the orange man would need this disease to kill millions for him to lose
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,113
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What’s indisputable is that Biden is in major cognitive decline if not worse. There are allegations of sexual assault as well which need investigating but based on how he behaves in public it’s not unbelievable. That and with Biden doing even worse on voter enthusiasm than Hillary I think the orange man would need this disease to kill millions for him to lose
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I agree. Can't believe Biden is going to be the opposition - what on earth happened to see him jump in the ratings so quickly? There was part of me wondering if it was Rep's voting to choose a weaker candidate. Trump will tear him apart in debates. I really can't see Trump losing to him.
 

Sky_Blue_Daz

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,114
Liam Gallagher is putting on a free concert for nhs workers at the 02 in October my wife managed to get 4 tickets
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 15, 2020
  • #17,115
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree. Can't believe Biden is going to be the opposition - what on earth happened to see him jump in the ratings so quickly? There was part of me wondering if it was Rep's voting to choose a weaker candidate. Trump will tear him apart in debates. I really can't see Trump losing to him.
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In essence

1. Bernie Sanders’ strategy was to guarantee 30-40% of the vote in each state because the field was crowded-he does this by focussing on the under 45 and Hispanic vote

2. This worked well for the first 3 states and the media looked resigned to him winning with Biden in 4th. Then Biden won the fourth state on the back of enormous elderly African American support (despite him vouching for segregation in the past).

3. Off the back of that the Democratic establishment decided to coalesce around Biden and persuaded all of the other centrist candidates to drop out and endorse Biden ahead of March 3rd when a huge number of contests were held. The other progressive candidate was persuaded to stay in. Keep in mind that Biden had zero campaign presence in these states and had done little or no adverts

4. March 3rd saw Biden mop the floor with the support gained from all the other centrist candidates. Bernie got his 30-40% in a lot of places but got overwhelmed by the high boomer turnout for Biden. The progressive candidate Warren appears to have helped Biden win a few of the north eastern states too. She then drops out making it a two horse race

5. Bernie spends a week calling Biden his friend and saying that he could beat Trump as well. He proceeds to lose heavily on March 10th and the race is basically over though notably he still gets that solid 35% from the under 45s.

It’s a combination of the Democratic higher ups and poor strategy from Bernie, but if there hadn’t been that forced coalescing near March 3rd it is very likely he would have won
 
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