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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,801
clint van damme said:
I wouldn't use the term quality
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Quality if you are the opposition
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,802
westcountry_skyblue said:
My sis had it,Works on the frontline at UHCW now back at work after 10 days off.
Now she’s back at work,She did say not the proper gowns ie with no arm protection on,Her and a colleague got it from a patient they were trying to resuscitate after he was arresting and he vomited all over them after testing positive for coronavirus.
Yes this government need to get their act together and invest in the NHS as it’s the one thing we should be proud of in the UK.
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All the best to your sister. When my sister was in Cov CCU we had to wear gowns, gloves and a mask to visit her, it was hit and miss what size stuff they had though
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,803
Ring Of Steel said:
that has got to be ‘bait’
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I wonder if the penny dropped with Dom when he asked that question!
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,804
Grendel said:
Quality if you are the opposition
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So a point scoring excersise rather than any genuine concern for the victims?
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,805
David O'Day said:
We have already established it was likely to just be an accident

Grenners needs to explain some of the things it has said.

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk
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You are ignoring me David and I don’t have to explain anything it’s why you useless bunch of losers will well always lose when you give people like Shah any airtime at all. She has tweeted she’s on the front bench. I’m pleased it’s great news

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,806
Grendel said:
So it’s this. Quality

MP shares tweet saying abuse victims should 'shut their mouths for good of diversity' | Metro News
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Boris Johnson seems to agree with her.
Johnson comments on child abuse 'horrific'
Watch PM refuse to apologise for ‘spaffing’ slur on child abuse inquiry and pretend he has contacted Jo Cox’s family
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,807
clint van damme said:
So a point scoring excersise rather than any genuine concern for the victims?
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I’ve criticised her on several occasions. She’s just a nightmare. She’s clearly an anti Semite - she admitted her language was and anyone who allows her to brag she’s now on the front bench I have no sympathy
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,808
skybluetony176 said:
Boris Johnson seems to agree with her.
Johnson comments on child abuse 'horrific'
Watch PM refuse to apologise for ‘spaffing’ slur on child abuse inquiry and pretend he has contacted Jo Cox’s family
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Come on, obviously the spaffing comment was just gallows humour.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,809
Interesting thread:

 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,810
fernandopartridge said:
Interesting thread:

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Have seen this reported over the last few days, very depressing.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,811
Sick Boy said:
Come on, obviously the spaffing comment was just gallows humour.
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Saying it’s not worth the cost is one thing but to use the phrase spunking it up the wall to describe the cost of investigating child sex abuse claims. Grendull must be appalled.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,812
skybluetony176 said:
Saying it’s not worth the cost is one thing but to use the phrase spunking it up the wall to describe the cost of investigating child sex abuse claims. Grendull must be appalled.
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Johnson said it so presumably he finds it absolutely hilarious, classic gallows humour.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,813
fernandopartridge said:
Interesting thread:

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Apparently there's been 92 care home out breaks in the last 24 hours but they won't neccessarily get classed as corona virus.

Viruses ripping through care homes happens annually but nowhere near on that scale so you've got to assume it's corona.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,814
PVA said:
Johnson said it so presumably he finds it absolutely hilarious, classic gallows humour.
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Check mate I think
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,815
clint van damme said:
Apparently there's been 92 care home out breaks in the last 24 hours but they won't neccessarily get classed as corona virus.

Viruses ripping through care homes happens annually but nowhere near on that scale so you've got to assume it's corona.
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care homes are the biggest issue here, it’s horrible- it literally wipes out the whole place. They’re included in the deaths here (I think).
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,816
Ring Of Steel said:
Check mate I think
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Yep Tories win again and labours claims they want to build bridges with the Jewish community are expunged instantly
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,817
clint van damme said:
Apparently there's been 92 care home out breaks in the last 24 hours but they won't neccessarily get classed as corona virus.

Viruses ripping through care homes happens annually but nowhere near on that scale so you've got to assume it's corona.
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It's well known that the 11k current mortality rate only includes those dying in hospital. I reckon the real rate is 15k+
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,818
Grendel said:
Yep Tories win again and labours claims they want to build bridges with the Jewish community are expunged instantly
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It’s already been very painfully established today that you have a serious truthfulness & credibility problem, I’ll go elsewhere for these kinds of opinions- thanks all the same.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,819
Ring Of Steel said:
It’s already been very painfully established today that you have a serious truthfulness & credibility problem, I’ll go elsewhere for these kinds of opinions- thanks all the same.
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So you think the announcement by Naz Shah - defended vehemently by the known ant Semite Ken livingstone - that she is on the front bench in a party which is sweeping a broom through the old past is a benefit to labour and a hammer blow to the Tories?

As for credibility haven’t you as well as having 3 jobs in the last 3 months also - amongst other things - said you’ve renounced uk citizenship due to England’s appalling history on racism - yet are backing Naz Shah

Yes it’s making perfect sense
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,820
Astute said:
How about the members of the forum that might have had it but showed no symptoms?

As you may have noticed Kenny Dalglish tested positive for the virus a few days ago. He was in hospital for a different reason and was only tested as a precaution. It affects different people in a different way. Boris is still going to be away for a long time.

Or is it that the NHS staff who looked after him are all part of some sort of conspiracy?
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I’m not looking for a conspiracy - it was merely something that kept bugging me so I thought I’d float the idea, see what other people thought... on a discussion forum.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,821
westcountry_skyblue said:
She’s a disgrace after the grooming scandal.
Should be nowhere near politics.
What excuse do you lefties have for her,Your just blinkered by ideology.You need to convince the electorate and try and win elections.Its over 40 years since a proper Labour Party won and as you say Blair’s wasn’t a proper labour win. Smell the coffee!!!
I want to vote labour but this has put me off.
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I can understand why... am I therefore right in assuming that you would equally never vote Conservative seeing as their entire party have endorsed a rampantly anti-semitic leader in Orban, and equally never ever vote for a party that was complicit in the covering up of the heinous paedophilic acts of a certain Jimmy Saville...

For balance and all that....
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,822
Ian1779 said:
I can understand why... am I therefore right in assuming that you would equally never vote Conservative seeing as their entire party have endorsed a rampantly anti-semitic leader in Orban, and equally never ever vote for a party that was complicit in the covering up of the heinous paedophilic acts of a certain Jimmy Saville...

For balance and all that....
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I have no idea who woman is, but fuck me how anyone on the ‘right’ side of things can take any kind of moral high ground when it comes to endorsing pretty nasty things, it’s pretty staggering. I can only assume that they get so sick and tired of the distasteful things they do & say being brought up that the second they see a chance for some tit-for-tat “yeah but look at him/her!” type shenanigans that they jump all over it.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,823
UK missed three chances to join EU scheme to bulk-buy PPE
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,824
Sick Boy said:
UK missed three chances to join EU scheme to bulk-buy PPE
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I think missed is a bit generous - turned down, ignored, thought it was beneath them is probably more accurate a description.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,825
Ian1779 said:
I can understand why... am I therefore right in assuming that you would equally never vote Conservative seeing as their entire party have endorsed a rampantly anti-semitic leader in Orban, and equally never ever vote for a party that was complicit in the covering up of the heinous paedophilic acts of a certain Jimmy Saville...

For balance and all that....
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Wurzel missed the Evening Standard cartoon of Ed Miliband the other day as well, that's the ES which is edited by one Gideon Osborne
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,826
westcountry_skyblue said:
Oh the old racist bollocks,Fook off mate any decent person would never like a tweet like that grow up.
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Mate. I’ve liked all kinds of tweets by accident or liked stuff I haven’t read properly. It’s social media not a court case. I wouldn’t take it for either side based off one incident alone. I said the same when some Tory councillor tweeted something silly. It happens. To think she seriously hates rape victims or whatever is just ridiculous.

As I say, far more concerning are her interactions with antisemitism IMO.

Edit: I’d also agree the left has been overly squeamish in tackling issues in Muslim communities. I just don’t think this is a smoking gun on that.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,827
Ian1779 said:
I think missed is a bit generous - turned down, ignored, thought it was beneath them is probably more accurate a description.
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Taking back control, apparently no matter what the death count.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,828
fernandopartridge said:
It's well known that the 11k current mortality rate only includes those dying in hospital. I reckon the real rate is 15k+
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What are we counting in this rate? Covid as main cause? Covid positive when dead? Deaths that wouldn’t have occurred if no Covid?

The latter is going to be huge. Saw a graphic posted by a doctor showing secondary impacts on those that have had care cut or routine surgeries etc delayed that will die earlier, those that die because of overstretched health care, those whose healths deteriorated due to isolation or unemployment, the non Covid deaths outweighed the Covid deaths. We could be looking at double or triple the final figures once all is said and done. We’ll definitely blow past the 20k target on Covid deaths alone looking at our current figures and curve.
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,829
chiefdave said:
I'm going to take a wild guess that members of the forum that might have had it but showed no symptoms weren't in intensive care for 3 days.
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Why dies anybody bother saying anything on here unless they are looking for an argument?

It is a well proven fact that everyone gets affected by this virus in a different way. About the only fact we do have to hand.

Why didn't you quote the part where I asked if the NHS staff that treated him were in on the conspiracy? Yes. Because it doesn't go with the point you are trying to put across.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,830
clint van damme said:
So a point scoring excersise rather than any genuine concern for the victims?
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The majority of posts on this thread are all about point scoring.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,831
fernandopartridge said:
Wurzel missed the Evening Standard cartoon of Ed Miliband the other day as well, that's the ES which is edited by one Gideon Osborne
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Ah the cartoon that drew a jewish man with a stereotypical antisemitic hooked nose.

He's labour though so the right don't care about antisemitic abuse towards him

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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,832
Ian1779 said:
I’m not looking for a conspiracy - it was merely something that kept bugging me so I thought I’d float the idea, see what other people thought... on a discussion forum.
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And all I did was reply to you....on a discussion forum. Not one proper reply but yet more allegations made.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,833
shmmeee said:
What are we counting in this rate? Covid as main cause? Covid positive when dead? Deaths that wouldn’t have occurred if no Covid?

The latter is going to be huge. Saw a graphic posted by a doctor showing secondary impacts on those that have had care cut or routine surgeries etc delayed that will die earlier, those that die because of overstretched health care, those whose healths deteriorated due to isolation or unemployment, the non Covid deaths outweighed the Covid deaths. We could be looking at double or triple the final figures once all is said and done. We’ll definitely blow past the 20k target on Covid deaths alone looking at our current figures and curve.
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Anything in hospital is anything with covid on the death certificate AFAIK. A death cert has causes 1a, 1b and 1c so it needs to be mentioned as one of those. In some countries I believe they're counting any deaths that include pneumonia on the cert too.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,834
Astute said:
Why dies anybody bother saying anything on here unless they are looking for an argument?

It is a well proven fact that everyone gets affected by this virus in a different way. About the only fact we do have to hand.

Why didn't you quote the part where I asked if the NHS staff that treated him were in on the conspiracy? Yes. Because it doesn't go with the point you are trying to put across.
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It isn't a "well proven fact" that everyone gets affected in a different way, it's anecdotal even if true. The WHO and UK Gov both advise that the main symptoms are:

fever

tiredness

dry cough
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 13, 2020
  • #16,835
Astute said:
It is a well proven fact that everyone gets affected by this virus in a different way. About the only fact we do have to hand.
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Of course it affects people different but that doesn't make it a valid comparison between someone who had no symptoms to the point they weren't even aware they had it and someone who was in ICU for three days in a life threatening condition. Johnson himself said "it could have gone either way".

A week ago if anyone suggested the possibility that the severity of Johnson's condition might be being exaggerated to avoid scrutiny of his performance personally and the government as a whole they were called every name imaginable. Now a week later if anyone questions why he's been released from hospital only 48 hours after leaving ICU and recording video messages like nothing has happened its claimed Johnson was only in as a precautionary measure. Not hard to see why some people are asking questions.
 
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