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Tommo1993

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,346
Astute said:
Only the 5th best? Pull your finger out
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I know. Reminded me of parents evening. Could do better. Challenge accepted though. If driving Miss Daisy gets me to the top then so be it. Easy enough while the roads are dead. I tell myself to take it easy every morning, an hour later I’m driving like a dickhead again.
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,347
Sky Blue Pete said:
Even with the nhs stuff. My country has lost its collective mind
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Give it a chance. Corbyn has only been gone a few days. Millions will have missed the news because of the virus and Boris being ill taking over all the news.

I got the leader I wanted. Just hope he doesn't let us down now.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,348
Ring Of Steel said:
for those interested, here’s a comparison between U.K. and a country that started with the same underfunded health system and paucity of facilities- the thread shows pretty clearly the differences

she’s dead right about the media- in the U.K. we have a lethal blend of second rate politicians and a piss poor media, that’s a dangerous combination

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I saw that earlier.

It's as clear as day that our response was too little too late.

Most of us said this at the time but many were happy to defend it 'cos Tories.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,349
clint van damme said:
Because it's been weaponised.
And I don't agree that Jewish people do.
Some parts of the Jewish community do for sure. But the Jewish community isn't one entity with one opinion.
Johnson cosied up to the biggest antisemite leader in Europe, who incidentally has just gone full facist, and no one gave a fuck.
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Come off it the Jewish community in the main are far more concerned about labour as it has many many people who are they think threaten Israel and are opposed to it. Reeves will have her day in the dock when it suits have no doubt about that
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,350
PVA said:
I saw that earlier.

It's as clear as day that our response was too little too late.

Most of us said this at the time but many were happy to defend it 'cos Tories.
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What is it actually saying?
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,351
PVA said:
I saw that earlier.

It's as clear as day that our response was too little too late.

Most of us said this at the time but many were happy to defend it 'cos Tories.
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Just add it to the list

Windrush
Grenfell
Universal Credit
COVID19

but they know how to win elections so that has to say something about the opposition as well, not sure it should be that difficult to evict people that inflict death & suffering on their own people from number 10
 
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Marty

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,352
westcountry_skyblue said:
O

Its up to your employer to say yes or no,I’ve checked this out on Gov.uk
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Cheers dude. Suppose I'll just have to suck it up. Just feel like I could be doing something useful like delivering food for the supermarkets or something like that.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,353
Grendel said:
What is it actually saying?
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Why don't you have a read and tell me.

I don't expect you to agree with it because you were one of the main advocates of herd immunity on here, not necessarily because you believed it would save lives, but because Johnson and Cummings told you to believe it.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,354
Ring Of Steel said:
Just add it to the list

Windrush
Grenfell
Universal Credit
COVID19

but they know how to win elections so that has to say something about the opposition as well, not sure it should be that difficult to evict people that inflict death & suffering on their own people from number 10
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Still waiting for the Russia report too.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,355
Grendel said:
Come off it the Jewish community in the main are far more concerned about labour as it has many many people who are they think threaten Israel and are opposed to it. Reeves will have her day in the dock when it suits have no doubt about that
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The Jewish community has many people who are opposed to Israel foreign policy!

Israel has at least one sect of Jews who are actually opposed to Israel. The Jewish community is full of diverse opinion just like any other.
I doubt Reeves will have her day. Antisemitism will not get anywhere near the attention it has done any more.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,356
PVA said:
Still waiting for the Russia report too.
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that will never, ever see the light of day, and if it does it’ll be heavily redacted & edited.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,357
Ian1779 said:
This is where there needs to be education to stop ignorance. There are anti-semitic tropes ingrained into our society through popular culture - people need to know what these are and why they are wrong.

As you said in an earlier post - it has to be called out CONSITENTLY
Rachel Reeves’ love in for an anti-Semite - unchallenged
George Osbourne’s anti-semitic trope in a Standard cartoon this week - unchallenged

Because it isn’t consistent it lends even more weight to the alterior motives behind it.
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Spot on.
David Miliband, hooked nose, eating a bacon sandwich - not a peep from the people who have been banging on about antisemitism for the last couple of years.

They never said anything when he was subjected to it as leader either
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,358
PVA said:
Why don't you have a read and tell me.

I don't expect you to agree with it because you were one of the main advocates of herd immunity on here, not necessarily because you believed it would save lives, but because Johnson and Cummings told you to believe it.
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that is a common theme on the right

 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,359
PVA said:
Why don't you have a read and tell me.

I don't expect you to agree with it because you were one of the main advocates of herd immunity on here, not necessarily because you believed it would save lives, but because Johnson and Cummings told you to believe it.
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Sun journalist again - I didn’t and not did the government

It’s measuring ICU beds against the population which is odd isn’t it
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,360
I just caught up with the recap of Priti Patel’s press conference

 
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Brylowes

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,361
Ring Of Steel said:
for those interested, here’s a comparison between U.K. and a country that started with the same underfunded health system and paucity of facilities- the thread shows pretty clearly the differences

she’s dead right about the media- in the U.K. we have a lethal blend of second rate politicians and a piss poor media, that’s a dangerous combination

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In the interest of clarity and fair play ‘there are six other Countries Named on that graph
under Ireland ‘when viewed in it’s entirety.
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,362
skybluetony176 said:
Serious question. Does the more radical factions and elements of the Tory Party put you of voting Tory in the same way? How about the language of the leader?
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Bet you won’t ever get an answer on this....
 

Astute

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,363
Ring Of Steel said:
that is a common theme on the right

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And one day you might be able to admit that the left has the same problem.
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,364
Astute said:
And one day you might be able to admit that the left has the same problem.
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Not to the same scale though....
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,365
Astute said:
And one day you might be able to admit that the left has the same problem.
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I’m not sure how this isn’t sinking in so I’ll say it just one more time. I’m not Labour or ‘left’, I have slated both sides on this very thread. I believe the exact words were “you’re all as fucking bad as each other”.

but “the right” are quite some way ahead in the body count stakes, so that’s where the questions need to be focussed.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,366
Grendel said:
Sun journalist again - I didn’t and not did the government

It’s measuring ICU beds against the population which is odd isn’t it
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We are forecast to have the worst death toll in Europe.

Do you still think the government's response was acceptable?
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,367
PVA said:
We are forecast to have the worst death toll in Europe.

Do you still think the government's response was acceptable?
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You have more chance of seeing Lord Lucan ride into Cov City Centre on Shergar with the Russia Report in his rucksack than that ever getting a straight answer.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,368
PVA said:
We are forecast to have the worst death toll in Europe.

Do you still think the government's response was acceptable?
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Well one person says that. My point about Ireland is it’s a very different country to England. It’s more similar to Sweden and is running at the same death rate per population despite a very different approach
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,369
Grendel said:
Well one person says that. My point about Ireland is it’s a very different country to England. It’s more similar to Sweden and is running at the same death rate per population despite a very different approach
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and your answer to the second point?
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,370
shmmeee said:
Come on. Praising the first woman in parliament who happened to be an antisemite at a time where most people were anti semites isn’t quite the same as sharing a platform with them or otherwise hanging about. Or sharing anti Jew conspiracy stuff.

There absolutely has been people making the most of tiny stuff, but there’s also been a problem with some one the far left and Corbyn himself.
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You said on this forum a while ago that there is a lot of things wrong with Corbyn, but he’s not a racist and he’s not an anti-semite - You were right.

Arguing the most prominent anti-racist in British politics over the last 40 years, is in fact a racist is horseshit. Who has done more to protect the rights of Jewish people (as a politician) than him?

That’s not ignoring the issues that do exist in the party around AS (and yes there are sections where this issue must be eradicated), that’s not ignoring the education that needs to happen, that not ignoring the hurt that some people will have felt by others actions.
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,371
Ian1779 said:
Not to the same scale though....
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Many thought Corbyn was a good leader.....And many still think the same way.

Look at this thread. It is very 1 sided. How many other than G sing the praises of the Tories?

The biggest problem Labour has is too many don't want change. But if change doesn't happen the Tories will stay in power.

I just hope Starmer is up to the job. Because it won't be an easy one.
 
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  • Apr 12, 2020
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Helpful?

(Sorry, can't keep up!)

Sir Keir Starmer did more on anti-Semitism in 'four days' than Jeremy Corbyn, claim Jewish leaders
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,373
Ring Of Steel said:
and your answer to the second point?
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Other than Germany we have handled as well as any other major western industrial country.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,374
Astute said:
Many thought Corbyn was a good leader.....And many still think the same way.

Look at this thread. It is very 1 sided. How many other than G sing the praises of the Tories?

The biggest problem Labour has is too many don't want change. But if change doesn't happen the Tories will stay in power.

I just hope Starmer is up to the job. Because it won't be an easy one.
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Actually the worst thing is that people see this all as a purely political crisis, when it is in fact a humanitarian & medical crisis.
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,375
Astute said:
Many thought Corbyn was a good leader.....And many still think the same way.

Look at this thread. It is very 1 sided. How many other than G sing the praises of the Tories?

The biggest problem Labour has is too many don't want change. But if change doesn't happen the Tories will stay in power.

I just hope Starmer is up to the job. Because it won't be an easy one.
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Of course people want change - the last thing they want is for the Labour Party to go back to being an iteration of the Tories. I hope Starmer will deliver and he will get my support until it’s evident he won’t do what he pledged.
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,376
Ring Of Steel said:
I’m not sure how this isn’t sinking in so I’ll say it just one more time. I’m not Labour or ‘left’, I have slated both sides on this very thread. I believe the exact words were “you’re all as fucking bad as each other”.

but “the right” are quite some way ahead in the body count stakes, so that’s where the questions need to be focussed.
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So when did you slate Labour? I can give you an endless list of where you have slated the Tories. All you have to do is look at just about every post you have made on the subject.

And strangely enough I haven't slated Labour once. I have just mentioned what needs to change to have a chance of getting into power. But you don't want change. You want it to stay just as it is.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,377
Grendel said:
Other than Germany we have handled as well as any other major western industrial country.
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As you know, that’s not what he asked you- but in fairness you are something of a lone voice and you took a hell of a beating yesterday, so ok.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,378
Marty said:
Cheers dude. Suppose I'll just have to suck it up. Just feel like I could be doing something useful like delivering food for the supermarkets or something like that.
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Join one of the local FB volunteer groups.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,379
Deleted member 5849 said:
Helpful?

(Sorry, can't keep up!)

Sir Keir Starmer did more on anti-Semitism in 'four days' than Jeremy Corbyn, claim Jewish leaders
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Corbyn was tbe Andy Thorn of politics. He’d have been sacked from any normal business years ago
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 12, 2020
  • #16,380
Astute said:


So when did you slate Labour? I can give you an endless list of where you have slated the Tories. All you have to do is look at just about every post you have made on the subject.

And strangely enough I haven't slated Labour once. I have just mentioned what needs to change to have a chance of getting into power. But you don't want change. You want it to stay just as it is.
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Who’s in charge right now? What do Labour have to do with it?

I kind of give up on you at this point, you don’t make sense.
 
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