skybluetony176
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So much for the head start
UK coronavirus death toll 'could end up being highest in Europe'
UK coronavirus death toll 'could end up being highest in Europe'
Which is what I said at the time and got slaughtered for. And still get slaughtered for now.he made many,many mistakes.
George Galloway did a critique of his leadership on his radio show last week and he was spot on with many of his observations. I liked a lot of what he was trying to do but with hindsight, and it was obvious at the time to many but I didn't see it clearly myself, he was a poor leader. Still a decent man with decent ideas though in my opinion.
Which has been my exact point.If you are right about the decision being pre-Starmer - which isn’t clear from the article either way, he needs to come out as the leader and insist that this is submitted.
If not then it ‘appears’ that the unity line he said last week is actually not the case. Seeing as the ‘grown ups’ are back in charge, let’s see if they do the ‘grown up’ thing.
Which is what I said at the time and got slaughtered for. And still get slaughtered for now.
Sometimes I just can't get my head around it. I desperately want a Labour government. But I am not supposed to mention any problems I see. Even those who now like yourself acknowledge that he wasn't the best person to have as leader still constantly have a go at me for saying so.
So much for the head start
UK coronavirus death toll 'could end up being highest in Europe'
It isn't really hindsight, the evidence for foresight was all there. It was a deliberate act which they must pay for.Saw that interview. Depressing stuff.
We definitely locked down too late. But as ever hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I just hope Johnson didn't ignore his medical team to go with advise given by Cummings because that would be unforgivable.
renationalisng railways does not cost billions, it doesn't cost anything if you do it as franchises expire. The government do it all the time.
It was the renationisation of utilities that would cost billions.
He hasn't that I know of either. But would the rags have said so?I haven't had a go at you for saying so. The campaign was a shambles.
Like I said, and I might be wrong, I dont think he has acknowledged that.
Personally I don’t think Mail and water are worth it right now, and we should’ve gone with the 2017 policy (maybe we did part of the problem was even Labour members didn’t know all our positions) of having community ran energy companies competing with the big six.
Once we started talking about forcing companies to sell below market value we sounded mental TBH.
He hasn't that I know of either. But would the rags have said so?
Didn't say yourself. I said those like you that have recognised since that he wasn't a good leader. Just look at how many people actually agree with me but try to word it differently.
We missed out on a massive chance of having a Labour government. The Tories were in disarray. And on top of that they elected Boris. And ideal Labour moment became a nightmare.
And this is where I personally differ to most again.I disagree on water. We should renationalise and get what is becoming an increasingly precious commodity under state ownership.
The water companies are constantly under performing and send fortunes out of the country in terms of dividends.
I agree about the mail and like your idea on community ran energy companies.
Don't think renationalising the energy companies was feasible.
I think the eyes can absorb the virus can’t they.But if the masks work why do they wear full face visors? I get my temperature taken before I am allowed on site at work each shift. They wear the full visors.
And sadly I have to agree.In 2017 I’d agree totally - and more galling is that fact that people in the party tried their hardest to undermine from within. The momentum and public feeling was there then. However the moment we turned away from not respecting the vote we were done for (I said this repeatedly at the time too) - we helped to kick the can down the road and it got solely pinned on us. (See the LD taking the brunt for the 2010-15 coalition)
They only had to get one thing right and it was enough for them. As a country we have gone around the world critiquing other countries for not adhering to democracy - and we didn’t even look inwards at ourselves. It could have been Johnson, Gove even bloody Rees-Mogg or Patel, they would still have won in 2019.
If you touch something contaminated then touch your face without washing your hands you are at risk. Same if you are wearing gloves.I think the eyes can absorb the virus can’t they.
Just look at the controversy surrounding Thames Water, dividend payments and who actually paid for the investment in the Thames Tideway Scheme. The tax payer ultimately bore the brunt of the huge investment either as customers or through tax relief. The people who receive dividends from the profits of Thames Water ultimately invested nothing in a scheme that ultimately assists their dividends. Money for nothing, literally.I disagree on water. We should renationalise and get what is becoming an increasingly precious commodity under state ownership.
The water companies are constantly under performing and send fortunes out of the country in terms of dividends.
I agree about the mail and like your idea on community ran energy companies.
Don't think renationalising the energy companies was feasible.
They haven’t got a problem - they have a very small issue.If Labour get rid of momentum and sort out their anti Semitic problem they’ll get my vote next time!!
Saw that interview. Depressing stuff.
We definitely locked down too late. But as ever hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I just hope Johnson didn't ignore his medical team to go with advise given by Cummings because that would be unforgivable.
It is an issue that is a massive problem. If it wasn't a problem and only a very small issue it wouldn't even be mentioned.They haven’t got a problem - they have a very small issue.
And which country has the most visitors that could have brought the virus in?for those interested, here’s a comparison between U.K. and a country that started with the same underfunded health system and paucity of facilities- the thread shows pretty clearly the differences
In my mind there’s little doubt they could have done something sooner. I’ll give you an example. My eldest daughter had symptoms the weekend before the lockdown (think it was just seasonal flu personally) Monday morning when I went to work the advice was she and she alone was to isolate for 7 days, by the time I left work at five we should all be isolating for 2 weeks. Why could that advice have not come Sunday night? How many people went to work Monday morning and then before they’d left to come home should have been self isolating for 2 weeks? Just no common sense has been displayed. You could argue that that advice should have come out a week or two earlier but personally I wouldn’t have been too hard on that but to let hundreds of thousands of potentially infected people to go to work on the Monday was just stupid. The reality didn’t change between 8am Monday morning and 4pm Monday afternoon. Common sense should have told them to make at least that call before people left the house on Monday morning.Saw that interview. Depressing stuff.
We definitely locked down too late. But as ever hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I just hope Johnson didn't ignore his medical team to go with advise given by Cummings because that would be unforgivable.
And which country has the most visitors that could have brought the virus in?
You see that’s my problem with hardcore labour voters,They just can’t see what us floating voters can.They haven’t got a problem - they have a very small issue.
Genuine question, as momentum are an independent group not run by the labour party how do they get rid out them?If Labour get rid of momentum and sort out their anti Semitic problem they’ll get my vote next time!!
I did smile at thatYeah gloves will transmit it just as easily, unless you change them for EVERY little thing you do.
Tesco made me laugh. Disinfect your trolley at the front door when you’ve already been pushing it around for 15 minutes. Yeah well done.
I agree. But my point also stands. The more international visitors you have the more chance you have of it actually taking a hold.read the thread- Ireland banned all St Patrick’s Day celebrations at the same time U.K. was welcoming in 60,000+ for Cheltenham and holding major concerts across the country
I'd imagine the party lawyers can only recommend not submitting it. I doubt they could instruct the party leader or those concerned not to.
As far as I'm concerned we have a man at the helm who has refused to reveal his financial backers and who has suppressed an important report, red flags going up everywhere.
I disagree on water. We should renationalise and get what is becoming an increasingly precious commodity under state ownership.
The water companies are constantly under performing and send fortunes out of the country in terms of dividends.
I agree about the mail and like your idea on community ran energy companies.
Don't think renationalising the energy companies was feasible.
Yeah gloves will transmit it just as easily, unless you change them for EVERY little thing you do.
Tesco made me laugh. Disinfect your trolley at the front door when you’ve already been pushing it around for 15 minutes. Yeah well done.
I agree. But my point also stands. The more international visitors you have the more chance you have of it actually taking a hold.
Which was always the point I tried to make. If you only look from the inside everything looks fine. Look at it like an outsider and you get a different perspective.You see that’s my problem with hardcore labour voters,They just can’t see what us floating voters can.
It’s one of the reasons Corbyn and his front bench could never be elected.
The last election and labours new team are a god send for this country as we now have an electable looking opposition.
Erm hello......you have even more of a chance if you take action sooner instead of telling people to wash their hands. That’s the point she’s making- two countries with massively intertwined cultures and actually very similar- one locked down sooner, the other didn’t, the results are pretty stark.
and she’s also right about the media- U.K. wants to play it down and talk about Boris, that appears to be it. Looking from the outside in if you went from the main news outlets you wouldn’t even know how many were dying and all the problems that there are. It’s absolutely amazing to see what the focus of attention is over there.
I meant in context of size - yet it’s still important to deal with. There is still more cases of anti-semitism in the Conservative party (which is naturally more of a home for Jewish people)It is an issue that is a massive problem. If it wasn't a problem and only a very small issue it wouldn't even be mentioned.
Not with the infection rate. When it’s in it’s in. Possibly would have only taken a handful of returning business people to start it in the U.K., at which point containment is needed and not cancelling things like ascot, concerts and delaying the closure of public places such as restaurants, bars and non essential shops was a failure. At least in part.I agree. But my point also stands. The more international visitors you have the more chance you have of it actually taking a hold.
Erm hello......
I said I agree with your point. So why try to force it upon me?
But I take it you still refuse to consider mine. The more international visitors you got from countries with the virus the more the chance of it spreading.
Which was always the point I tried to make. If you only look from the inside everything looks fine. Look at it like an outsider and you get a different perspective.
And this is why I say nobody was worth my vote last time.
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