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David O'Day

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,666
Skybluefaz said:
Yes I suppose given the date the risk would have been very low. It's just a hindsight thing that makes it seem so crazy.
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It's not crazy, he was advised this by phe so that's what he told Londoners.

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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,667
Marty said:
'No risk' of catching coronavirus on the Tube, says Sadiq Khan | Metro News
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In fairness, as much as I disagree, that article is dated 3rd March when there were still very few cases in this country. The risk at that time was still probably pretty low and the advice from the government at the time was to carry on as normal.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,668
Sky Blue Pete said:
Forgot to say went for a run last night up to and around the memorial park and all entrances to vehicles were locked
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Yeah that was in the telegraph. Makes sense.

Keep the park open for those more local

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David O'Day

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,669
mark82 said:
In fairness, as much as I disagree, that article is dated 3rd March when there were still very few cases in this country. The risk at that time was still probably pretty low and the advice from the government at the time was to carry on as normal.
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It states in the article as well he was given this advise by phe

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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,670
mark82 said:
In fairness, as much as I disagree, that article is dated 3rd March when there were still very few cases in this country. The risk at that time was still probably pretty low and the advice from the government at the time was to carry on as normal.
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I’m sure Marty will be along shortly to confirm that he is mistaken... won’t he?
 

Marty

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,671
Ring Of Steel said:
I’m sure Marty will be along shortly to confirm that he is mistaken... won’t he?
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So what are we saying here? That experts often get it wrong? you should think of that everytime you mention experts in regards to Brexit.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,672
Marty said:
That's quite a leap questioning his poor decision making to bring up his religion, sound like you have a chip on your shoulder there fletch.
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What poor decision making. You’ve gone back to before the outbreak to complain about his saying it was safe when it was safe while ignoring the fact the people in charge of the whole country were at that point boasting about how they were shaking hands with patients.

As they’re both politicians saying the same thing I was just wondering why Sadiq Khan upset you so much. Your touchy reaction answers that for me, thanks.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,673
TomRad85 said:
He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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It’s a good point and at least in ‘the media’ a lot of fingers are starting to point at these “experts”, who were already under scrutiny from other members of the scientific/ medical community anyway. But it does seem that they’re currently being lined up to take a huge portion of the blame for all the mistakes made.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,674
TomRad85 said:
He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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Expert advice has never been to enter a hospitals full or virus patients and shake everyone’s hands. Ever.
 
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Otis

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,675
TomRad85 said:
He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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Hmmm..... would agreed with you, but it depends that we knew at time that we should not be making direct physical contact with Coronavirus sufferers.
 
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mark82

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,676
Marty said:
So what are we saying here? That experts often get it wrong? you should think of that everytime you mention experts in regards to Brexit.
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It's not necessarily that the experts got it wrong, it's more that there were only 39 cases in the whole country at the time. We were also told going to work and to large events like football matches was safe. Why just pick what Sadiq Khan was saying at that time? Why not pick out what all political leaders and advisors were saying?
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,677
Marty said:
So what are we saying here? That experts often get it wrong? you should think of that everytime you mention experts in regards to Brexit.
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I think one pertinent point for you is “don’t just read the headline” or you run the risk of looking silly.
 

TomRad85

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,678
Ring Of Steel said:
It’s a good point and at least in ‘the media’ a lot of fingers are starting to point at these “experts”, who were already under scrutiny from other members of the scientific/ medical community anyway. But it does seem that they’re currently being lined up to take a huge portion of the blame for all the mistakes made.
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And so they should be. I actually read something you posted yesterday and it was a good read. Fuck ups galore from the 'experts'.

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clint van damme

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,679
Marty said:
So what are we saying here? That experts often get it wrong? you should think of that everytime you mention experts in regards to Brexit.
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How does getting it wrong on this occasion equate to often getting it wrong?
 

Marty

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,680
shmmeee said:
What poor decision making. You’ve gone back to before the outbreak to complain about his saying it was safe when it was safe while ignoring the fact the people in charge of the whole country were at that point boasting about how they were shaking hands with patients.

As they’re both politicians saying the same thing I was just wondering why Sadiq Khan upset you so much. Your touchy reaction answers that for me, thanks.
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As a leader of a major city, seeing cases grow, I would expect a bit of critical thinking, and seeing potential for large people to become infected.

Only one who mentioned his religion was you your clown.
 
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Otis

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,681
mark82 said:
It's not necessarily that the experts got it wrong, it's more that there were only 39 cases in the whole country at the time. We were also told going to work and to large events like football matches was safe. Why just pick what Sadiq Khan was saying at that time? Why not pick out what all political leaders and advisors were saying?
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We should criticise all people, from all political spectrums when they get it wrong. It is not just us and them, left and right.

If they get the advice wrong we should criticse all sides, whichever side they are on.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,682
TomRad85 said:
And so they should be. I actually read something you posted yesterday and it was a good read. Fuck ups galore from the 'experts'.

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And the logical question is “who appointed these experts”, and from what I see & read that line most likely stops somewhere in the vicinity of Dominic Cummings, the real PM, who values ‘science’ and eugenics more than genuine experts in their own disciplines.
 
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Marty

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,683
mark82 said:
It's not necessarily that the experts got it wrong, it's more that there were only 39 cases in the whole country at the time. We were also told going to work and to large events like football matches was safe. Why just pick what Sadiq Khan was saying at that time? Why not pick out what all political leaders and advisors were saying?
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I have criticized many white politicians and experts as well over the handling off this outbreak, or am I only allowed to mention a brown politician if I mention a white one at the same time?
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,684
Sky Blue Pete said:
Forgot to say went for a run last night up to and around the memorial park and all entrances to vehicles were locked
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Council have said all council parks car parks are to be closed off
 
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Marty

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,685
clint van damme said:
How does getting it wrong on this occasion equate to often getting it wrong?
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They're only wrong when they have a different view point with you?
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,686
TomRad85 said:
He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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The Boris handshake got so much traction because when people were speculating that might be how he caught the virus people were saying it didn't happen despite video evidence.
The way (I think Chris Whitty) stepped in at the press conference would also suggest the PM was not adhering to what he'd been told.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,687
David O'Day said:
It's not crazy, he was advised this by phe so that's what he told Londoners.

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WITH HINDSIGHT IT SEEMS CRAZY. YOU REALLY ARE AS BAD AS GRENDEL
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,688
Marty said:
They're only wrong when they have a different view point with you?
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Your ability to make massive leaps like that is incredible (and not in a good way).
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,689
Marty said:
I have criticized many white politicians and experts as well over the handling off this outbreak, or am I only allowed to mention a brown politician if I mention a white one at the same time?
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No, you’re supposed to have actual criticism and not shit ripped straight from the Britain First FB feed.
 

Otis

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,690
Skybluefaz said:
WITH HINDSIGHT IT SEEMS CRAZY. YOU REALLY ARE AS BAD AS GRENDEL
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Crazy from PHE, yes.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,691
Otis said:
Crazy from PHE, yes.
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Yes, just the notion in itself
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,692
shmmeee said:
No, you’re supposed to have actual criticism and not shit ripped straight from the Britain First FB feed.
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Did you get tested Shmmeee?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,693
Also worth pointing out that the NHS also has a disproportionately high number of BAME staff, especially true of doctors and nurses. In fact when you think about it of all the pictures they’ve shown of doctors who have come out of retirement to help the NHS, caught Coronavirus and then subsequently died I’m struggling to remember seeing a picture of a white doctor being amongst them. I think they announced another death of a retired doctor coming out retirement yesterday and he was from Sri Lanka originally. Maybe the Lurker should be looking for these stories and then having a long hard think about his life.
 
Last edited: Apr 9, 2020
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,694
clint van damme said:
Did you get tested Shmmeee?
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No. Went for a checkup at the hub and the decided it’s bronchitis so no need for a test.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,695
shmmeee said:
No. Went for a checkup at the hub and the decided it’s bronchitis so no need for a test.
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Not exactly a walk in the park bronchitis.
Could have been worse though so good(ish) news
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,696
Looks like it was another fun night in here last night.

Just caught up. My personal highlight:



Lurker being asked what he thinks makes someone racist:

The Lurker said:
someone who judges a person on skin colour. You?
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And here he is literally minutes earlier:

The Lurker said:
[I agree the idiots in the parks are no better but what I don’t see is white youths roaming the streets at the night in packs but hey lets slam white people but not ethics
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Quite literally judging someone on skin colour.

Daft old racist.
 
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Marty

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,697
shmmeee said:
No, you’re supposed to have actual criticism and not shit ripped straight from the Britain First FB feed.
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It was a genuine criticism, it's poor decision making from those in power. Why are you so defensive over a Muslim politician? are they beyond judgement?
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,698
Marty said:
I have criticized many white politicians and experts as well over the handling off this outbreak, or am I only allowed to mention a brown politician if I mention a white one at the same time?
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I didn't mention his skin colour. My assumption was more that you were singling him out because he was a labour politician.

I'm not saying I agree with the advice at the time, but it's very difficult to lockdown quickly like they did in an authoritarian state like China. There were always other factors at play. If we're criticizing anyone it should be Public Health England, but it's still criticism in hindsight. From that point the situation changed very quickly - the day after there was a large surge in cases. It wasn't until 10 days later that football was suspended though, which looks very late considering we now know that the Atalanta Vs Valencia game was what caused the huge spread in Italy and contributed to an acceleration in Spain.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,699
The Lurker said:
how? so what I say and show is not factual?
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Sorry I’ve got bored now but I should at least answer this

In truth I didn’t read much of what you said on here it’s your past history that singles you out. The Tommy Robinson stuff in particular
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 9, 2020
  • #14,700
Marty said:
It was a genuine criticism, it's poor decision making from those in power. Why are you so defensive over a Muslim politician? are they beyond judgement?
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But it's been pointed out that he was just parroting what he was told.
Imagine if he ignored the chief medical officer?
Like I said, not a fan of his but I can't see this was on him.
 
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