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RegTheDonk

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,401
Sky Blue Pete said:
It was almost like they were trying to allow a majority of people to get it for a kind of inoculation
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Perhaps they see it as a way of dealing with an aging population.
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,402
Grendel said:
The 14 days is an overestimate based on the fact some have extended to 11 days - 96% is in the 7 day bracket
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How many days is 100% in.
Thought they were serious about stopping this !!
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,403
Grendel said:
All estimates of infection are the same regardless of strategy and Italy clearly is either lying about deaths or infection rates
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Yeah it has so much to gain from lying about it.
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,404
Grendel said:
All estimates of infection are the same regardless of strategy and Italy clearly is either lying about deaths or infection rates
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I think you were trying to reply to a different comment here G? But what makes you say that about Italy?


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RegTheDonk

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,405
SkyBlueDom26 said:
China numbers will be complete bollocks, millions will have got it and god knows how many will have died
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Agreed Dom, but if it would be around 80% worst case as our lot were talking, that would end up being well over a billion people infected and millions dead, they couldn't cover that up.
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,406
SkyBlueDom26 said:
China numbers will be complete bollocks, millions will have got it and god knows how many will have died
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Bear in mind a lot of the country has been locked down for a few weeks. Now people are mingling again it may well resurge. Although I’m sure there will be plenty massaging of the figures.


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shmmeee

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,407
RegTheDonk said:
Agreed Dom, but if it would be around 80% worst case as our lot were talking, that would end up being well over a billion people infected and millions dead, they couldn't cover that up.
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It wouldn’t be 80% in a country that can literally lock up all its citizens at the drop of a hat. That’s the issue with China, aside from the possibility of dodgy data, they have the ability to take actions not many other countries could. Well have to see how more liberal democracies handle it for a decent comparison.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,408
Sick Boy said:
Yeah it has so much to gain from lying about it.
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It has a 6% mortality rate versus 1% or less in countries with a similar age demographic so either it’s health service is a disaster or there are other factors
 

Brylowes

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,409
True, but then again there’s a lot of very remote regions in China,
A significant % of that 1.4 billion will live very isolated lifestyles.
 

AStonesThrow

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,410
NEWS: EFL Statement - Coronavirus Update
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,411
djr8369 said:
I think you were trying to reply to a different comment here G? But what makes you say that about Italy?


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It’s mortality rate is 6 times higher than any other European country
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,412
Grendel said:
It has a 6% mortality rate versus 1% or less in countries with a similar age demographic so either it’s health service is a disaster or there are other factors
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Or they didn’t implement social distancing early enough.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,413
Flying Fokker said:
That owner will increase the blood pressure of the under 70s fans wanting to see their team play. Plus he must have money to burn.
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He's a flange, they got any big players out injured?
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,414
Grendel said:
All estimates of infection are the same regardless of strategy and Italy clearly is either lying about deaths or infection rates
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I don't think they're lying about infection rate, they just don't have the capacity to test everyone. Most minor cases won't be reported.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,415
shmmeee said:
Or they didn’t implement social distancing early enough.
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So we have? Really
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,416
mark82 said:
I don't think they're lying about infection rate, they just don't have the capacity to test everyone. Most minor cases won't be reported.
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Sick boy claims they have a far better test rate than the uk
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,417
SkyBlueDom26 said:
China numbers will be complete bollocks, millions will have got it and god knows how many will have died
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Yes, but most of them will have been shape-shifting lizards.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,418
shmmeee said:
Or they didn’t implement social distancing early enough.
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More likely they failed in the containment phase by not tracking down each patient zero.
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,419
Grendel said:
It’s mortality rate is 6 times higher than any other European country
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Yes but they have an older population who socialise more than most countries. They also, as you pointed out, had a high number of cases early on so more people have been ill longer. Also need to account for the testing profile and how many unknown cases there are and the fact mortality rate anywhere is an extrapolation of a relatively small sample size, are people with mild symptoms not getting tested etc so there are some mitigating factors.


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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,420
David O'Day said:
More likely they failed in the containment phase by not tracking down each patient zero.
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I said this the other day, I don't think they were able to track down patient zero.
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,421
David O'Day said:
More likely they failed in the containment phase by not tracking down each patient zero.
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Supposedly they did that well but had one super spreader with no symptoms.


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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,422
djr8369 said:
Yes but they have an older population who socialise more than most countries. They also, as you pointed out, had a high number of cases early on so more people have been ill longer. Also need to account for the testing profile and how many unknown cases there are and the fact mortality rate anywhere is an extrapolation of a relatively small sample size, are people with mild symptoms not getting tested etc so there are some mitigating factors.


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There is a lot more day to day socialising and the kissing greeting probably doesn't help, it's also common between close male friends and relations.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,423
djr8369 said:
Yes but they have an older population who socialise more than most countries. They also, as you pointed out, had a high number of cases early on so more people have been ill longer. Also need to account for the testing profile and how many unknown cases there are and the fact mortality rate anywhere is an extrapolation of a relatively small sample size, are people with mild symptoms not getting tested etc so there are some mitigating factors.


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They don’t have a older population than Japan and only marginally so versus Germany
 

Sick Boy

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,424
djr8369 said:
Supposedly they did that well but had one super spreader with no symptoms.


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Most people also didn't take it seriously until this week, my boss was joking and laughing about it last Friday.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,425
djr8369 said:
Supposedly they did that well but had one super spreader with no symptoms.


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Really - the Italian health minister said it’s the oldest global population - it isn’t - and 92% of deaths are in one area

If Johnson was saying this sort of tripe he’d be accused well of lying
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,426
Grendel said:
Really - the Italian health minister said it’s the oldest global population - it isn’t - and 92% of deaths are in one area

If Johnson was saying this sort of tripe he’d be accused well of lying
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Yeah and it so happens to be one of the most densely populated parts of the country.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,427
Grendel said:
So we have? Really
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??

You are a strange one.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,428
Sick Boy said:
Yeah and it so happens to be one of the most densely populated parts of the country.
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Italy now has 20% of global deaths and 90% in one area.
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,429
Grendel said:
They don’t have a older population than Japan and only marginally so versus Germany
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Japan has one of the lowest infection growth rates in the world doesn’t it? Learnt from SARS.



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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,430
Sick Boy said:
I said this the other day, I don't think they were able to track down patient zero.
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think youre correct sick boy and the misdiagnosis of another person on 2-3 occasions. Think we also touched upon whether most people who were concerned they were infected going to see doctors (as opposed to a phone/111 service) which could have infected others who were ill.

Possibly one or more of these things, who knows, but hope it improves soon over there
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,431
shmmeee said:
??

You are a strange one.
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Well either we are performing actions or we are not - all I see on here is we need to do more. What more do you think we need to do?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,432
djr8369 said:
Japan has one of the lowest infection growth rates in the world doesn’t it? Learnt from SARS.



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Germany? Sorry it’s absurd to say a country has over 20% of all deaths and that’s not an anomaly
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,433
Grendel said:
Italy now has 20% of global deaths and 90% in one area.
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Yeah, the most populated and densely populated region in the country. As I said before, the choice has moved onto who to prioritise and who not to, it is worrying and ever so depressing. As I have said before, most people here do not respect the state and try to bend its rules, its a mindset amongst many people. This has led to a blase attitude that won't have helped, much like many people from Lombardia going skiing a couple of weeks ago while in lockdown.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,434
CCFCSteve said:
think youre correct sick boy and the misdiagnosis of another person on 2-3 occasions. Think we also touched upon whether most people who were concerned they were infected going to see doctors (as opposed to a phone/111 service) which could have infected others who were ill.

Possibly one or more of these things, who knows, but hope it improves soon over there
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A stupid law here is that to get a day of paid sick leave you have to go to the doctor and get a certificate!!
 

CanadianCCFC

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  • Mar 12, 2020
  • #1,435
CanadianCCFC said:
In North American sports, the NBA season (basketball) was suspended yesterday, the NHL (hockey) season was suspended today and the MLB (baseball) preseason will likely be suspended very soon as well. These decisions are better than playing in empty stadiums imo
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MLS also suspended
 
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