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MalcSB

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  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #12,496
fernandopartridge said:
Nailed on they're all tory wankers
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I assume the Welsh will return their Council Tax.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #12,497
PVA said:
Still think we're doing better than Italy?

Still think we won't have it as bad as Italy because their cases were mostly concentrated in a few areas?

Still think the government's response was acceptable when despite having a two week 'headstart' we're going to have it worse than Italy?
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The deaths in italy are hugely understated as per the FT article the other day so if we need to use words like better then yes
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #12,498
Flying Fokker said:
Still think we're doing better than Italy? Give it 10 days and we’ll know.

Still think we won't have it as bad as Italy because their cases were mostly concentrated in a few areas? Liverpool, Midlands, London.

Still think the government's response was acceptable when despite having a two week 'headstart' we're going to have it worse than.

But tell me Labour would have done better...
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What the hell is this drivel?

We're in a worse state than Italy were at this stage.

You've completely missed my point on the second point.

What the hell does Labour have to do with the government's response?
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #12,499
Grendel said:
The deaths in italy are hugely understated as per the FT article the other day so if we need to use words like better then yes
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Too early to say with high confidence, we know U.K. deaths understated also, trends useful. He’s right about the graph, the people who spent days slating it were wrong to do so, it’s visually really excellent and has enough data now to capture trends and compare countries very well. As for labour, no clue, likely not, then again maybe- relevant how?

hangover incoming tomorrow, going to self isolate from everyone and everything
 

itsabuzzard

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,500
Johnnythespider said:
Click bait
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Try the podcast.

Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,501
Ring Of Steel said:
Too early to say with high confidence, we know U.K. deaths understated also, trends useful. He’s right about the graph, the people who spent days slating it were wrong to do so, it’s visually really excellent and has enough data now to capture trends and compare countries very well. As for labour, no clue, likely not, then again maybe- relevant how?

hangover incoming tomorrow, going to self isolate from everyone and everything
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You need identical methods to evaluate countries and there is no constant method. Spain is higher as they’ve attempted to account for non hospital deaths, italy as one example had 5,000 deaths in March vs 99 last March and attributed just over 2,000 to the virus.

Germany do not count all hospital deaths if they have not been pm’d

France have admitted they are guessing non hospital deaths and it’s likely to be far more

China is a rogue number and so will Russia be

It’s a data set designed up create a result and the data going into the graph on deaths is not accurate and far from consistent
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,502
Grendel said:
The deaths in italy are hugely understated as per the FT article the other day so if we need to use words like better then yes
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That may be true but the accuracy of our own figures isn't guaranteed either
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,503
Grendel said:
You need identical methods to evaluate countries and there is no constant method. Spain is higher as they’ve attempted to account for non hospital deaths, italy as one example had 5,000 deaths in March vs 99 last March and attributed just over 2,000 to the virus.

Germany do not count all hospital deaths if they have not been pm’d

France have admitted they are guessing non hospital deaths and it’s likely to be far more

China is a rogue number and so will Russia be

It’s a data set designed up create a result and the data going into the graph on deaths is not accurate and far from consistent
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RoS level conspiracy nonsense.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,504
Just seen the pictures of people still out this weekend in large groups in parks and by the sea. Makes you think what's the point in the rest of us doing as we're told.

Absolutely selfish fekkin pricks.
 
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Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,505
fernandopartridge said:
That may be true but the accuracy of our own figures isn't guaranteed either
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I'm sure I read that if you've displayed symptoms related to Corona and you haven't been tested but have died, it's logged as a Coronavirus death. The same article stated that there has been an unusually low flu death rate this year too.

I'm not sure if this is true or not.
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,506
i don’t know if I’m seeing things but I’m sure they’re saying that there are rumours of a military coup in Brazil as as result of what their mad president is doing on coronavirus.. the whole world’s gone (even more) nuts
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,507
Think I'm at day 4 or 5 at the moment.

I have flu like symptoms like what hill83 has already described.

I've already stocked up for an emergency with flu and paracetamol capsules.

Quite worryingly though, I am now almost half way through my emergency bottle of vodka and down to my last two lemons.

Think I may report in over the phone with my GP on Monday just as a precautionary measure because I'm in the camp with underlying health conditions but all in all it hasn't affected me too bad.
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,508
Ring Of Steel said:
i don’t know if I’m seeing things but I’m sure they’re saying that there are rumours of a military coup in Brazil as as result of what their mad president is doing on coronavirus.. the whole world’s gone (even more) nuts
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Interesting stuff.

I will have a look around the internet for this.
 

pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,509
Ring Of Steel said:
i don’t know if I’m seeing things but I’m sure they’re saying that there are rumours of a military coup in Brazil as as result of what their mad president is doing on coronavirus.. the whole world’s gone (even more) nuts
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Does Brazil already have a new “acting President”?
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,510
Philosorapter said:
Interesting stuff.

I will have a look around the internet for this.
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I hope you get better soon and sending best wishes, meanwhile:
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,511
Yes, that was the article I found.

Does Brazil already have a new “acting President”?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,512
fernandopartridge said:
That may be true but the accuracy of our own figures isn't guaranteed either
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Of course it’s not, a lack of time and resources stops them from being fully accurate in all countries with overstretched resources. However, there are also going to be more non-Coronavirus deaths as these people will not get the same level of care due to over-stretched systems and resources.

There are also those whose deaths were not actually caused by the virus having it attributed to it as well.

The reporting stil gives us a strong overall indication of what is happening though and the direction in which a particular country is heading.

The good news from here is that the strict lockdown measures appear to have been a success in terms of halting the rampant spread and ICU is finally being eased.

Currently it’s due to run until 13th April but it looks like it will be May before phase 2 kicks in and some of the restrictions are lifted.

We are now going into average British summertime temperatures, so it should also give some kind of indication of what happens in raised temperatures for those hoping some warmer weather would have an impact.
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,513
PFA claims players shouldn't take a wage cut or deferral as loss of tax income would be damaging for NHS.
Anyone believe high earners are paying full tax? Or that the charitable donations suggested won't be a tax write-off?
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,514
PVA said:
What the hell is this drivel?

We're in a worse state than Italy were at this stage.

You've completely missed my point on the second point.

What the hell does Labour have to do with the government's response?
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Ahem. , Your point.....you missed the point. Their is supposed to be a dialogue.

Not a fucking exam with you ticking the boxes.
The point being that we already have red hot areas of contagion.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,515
PVA said:
What the hell is this drivel?

We're in a worse state than Italy were at this stage.

You've completely missed my point on the second point.

What the hell does Labour have to do with the government's response?
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Ignored
 
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dazed&confused

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,516
PVA said:
Still think we're doing better than Italy?

Still think we won't have it as bad as Italy because their cases were mostly concentrated in a few areas?

Still think the government's response was acceptable when despite having a two week 'headstart' we're going to have it worse than Italy?
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We're all going to die.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,517
fernandopartridge said:
That may be true but the accuracy of our own figures isn't guaranteed either
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No it’s not I agree
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,518
Sick Boy said:
Of course it’s not, a lack of time and resources stops them from being fully accurate in all countries with overstretched resources. However, there are also going to be more non-Coronavirus deaths as these people will not get the same level of care due to over-stretched systems and resources.

There are also those whose deaths were not actually caused by the virus having it attributed to it as well.

The reporting stil gives us a strong overall indication of what is happening though and the direction in which a particular country is heading.

The good news from here is that the strict lockdown measures appear to have been a success in terms of halting the rampant spread and ICU is finally being eased.

Currently it’s due to run until 13th April but it looks like it will be May before phase 2 kicks in and some of the restrictions are lifted.

We are now going into average British summertime temperatures, so it should also give some kind of indication of what happens in raised temperatures for those hoping some warmer weather would have an impact.
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Some street markers selling fruit and veg are actually now opening in Italy
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,519
I wonder how many dumb shitheads will be travelling to Skegness/Blackpool/Cleethorpes/Brighton etc today for a nice day at the beach...

Sent from my I3113 using Tapatalk
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,520
tisza said:
PFA claims players shouldn't take a wage cut or deferral as loss of tax income would be damaging for NHS.
Anyone believe high earners are paying full tax? Or that the charitable donations suggested won't be a tax write-off?
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But if the deduction in wages is cover the costs of non football staff it us cost neutral as any tax lost will be covered by the money the government doesn't have to spend paying for the furloughed staff.

As a trade unionist the pfa are being stupid here.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,521
Grendel said:
Some street markers selling fruit and veg are actually now opening in Italy
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There's a fruit and veg shop on my street that has stayed open, I guess it is a kind of market, but it is an essential service, so is allowed. Bizarrely there was a bar that suddenly started selling bread but that got shutdown within a couple of days with the regular drinkers outside of the pavement. It is probably the local version of the Tudor Rose.
Actually it is probably worse.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,522
skyblue1991 said:
I wonder how many dumb shitheads will be travelling to Skegness/Blackpool/Cleethorpes/Brighton etc today for a nice day at the beach...

Sent from my I3113 using Tapatalk
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Not many I would say as the dibble will be all over the roads to them.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,523
Sick Boy said:
There's a fruit and veg shop on my street that has stayed open, I guess it is a kind of market, but it is an essential service, so is allowed. Bizarrely there was a bar that suddenly started selling bread but that got shutdown within a couple of days with the regular drinkers outside of the pavement. It is probably the local version of the Tudor Rose.
Actually it is probably worse.
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It was on BBC news last night some markets just opening this weekend
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,524
Had a row with the Mrs about this this morning.

We moved in with her parents and younger brother 6 weeks back to save towards a mortgage instead of renting, and anyway, We've got a massive garden, so as the weather is class we were gonna do a mini barbecue.

Just us that live in the household..

She starts whinging about peoples 'opinions'and 'should we be doing it'

Far as I'm concerned we could have a fucking firework display in the garden as long as its just members of the household or am i talking shit? Started to make me doubt myself now.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,525
Saddlebrains said:
Had a row with the Mrs about this this morning.

We moved in with her parents and younger brother 6 weeks back to save towards a mortgage instead of renting, and anyway, We've got a massive garden, so as the weather is class we were gonna do a mini barbecue.

Just us that live in the household..

She starts whinging about peoples 'opinions'and 'should we be doing it'

Far as I'm concerned we could have a fucking firework display in the garden as long as its just members of the household or am i talking shit? Started to make me doubt myself now.
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That's perfectly legal
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,526
Ferguson on the Marr show now
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,527
Saddlebrains said:
Had a row with the Mrs about this this morning.

We moved in with her parents and younger brother 6 weeks back to save towards a mortgage instead of renting, and anyway, We've got a massive garden, so as the weather is class we were gonna do a mini barbecue.

Just us that live in the household..

She starts whinging about peoples 'opinions'and 'should we be doing it'

Far as I'm concerned we could have a fucking firework display in the garden as long as its just members of the household or am i talking shit? Started to make me doubt myself now.
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If it's just the people in your household I don't see that you are breaking any rulrs
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,528
Saddlebrains said:
Far as I'm concerned we could have a fucking firework display in the garden as long as its just members of the household or am i talking shit? Started to make me doubt myself now.
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Some idiot Street down from us decided to have a birthday party last night. Let off fireworks, 3 police cars on the spot in about 5 minutes. Hope he's got deep pockets!!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,529
Saddlebrains said:
Had a row with the Mrs about this this morning.

We moved in with her parents and younger brother 6 weeks back to save towards a mortgage instead of renting, and anyway, We've got a massive garden, so as the weather is class we were gonna do a mini barbecue.

Just us that live in the household..

She starts whinging about peoples 'opinions'and 'should we be doing it'

Far as I'm concerned we could have a fucking firework display in the garden as long as its just members of the household or am i talking shit? Started to make me doubt myself now.
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No, you're right. It's a good thing to do as it helps reduce any urge to go out anyway.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 5, 2020
  • #12,530
fernandopartridge said:
That may be true but the accuracy of our own figures isn't guaranteed either
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The FT article won’t link but these illustrate the issue

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported

Italy coronavirus: More than 60 residents of an elder care home died in a month - CNN
 
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