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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,746
Grendel said:
One industry is going well

March was busiest shopping month for UK supermarkets on record up 20.6 per cent | Daily Mail Online
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I work in IT. We've just had our busiest month ever by a long way, roughly 30% up on our previous busiest month.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,747
shmmeee said:
Jesus Andrew Neil criticising the Tory government, it must be April 1st.
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Even the Mail is getting stuck into them now.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,748
Yeah but imagine Abbott in charge, she carnt even do basic maffs

 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,749
Sick Boy said:
Even the Mail is getting stuck into them now.
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The daily mail and Piers Morgan showing the 'left wing' BBC how it's done.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,750
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah but imagine Abbott in charge, she carnt even do basic maffs

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I think it's a case of think of a number ....any number....just make things up.
Michael Gove did that yesterday regarding the chemicals for testing. The chemical industry reported that they have the chemicals, but the government hadn't ordered them.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,751
clint van damme said:
The daily mail and Piers Morgan showing the 'left wing' BBC how it's done.
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BBC National News is full of cherry picked Tories now, they are servants to the government that's all.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,752
shmmeee said:
Jesus Andrew Neil criticising the Tory government, it must be April 1st.
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Clearly a dribbling lefty europhile who hates the U.K. and would rather live in Italy.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,753
fernandopartridge said:
BBC National News is full of cherry picked Tories now, they are servants to the government that's all.
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Yep. Bluster in the media about withdrawing the licence fee, let it be known behind the scenes that won't happen if they are more compliant with the government and bingo, you've got the next best thing to state run media.
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,754
Don’t believe the nonsense about flights from USA being controlled, reduced, vetted

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,755
clint van damme said:
Yep. Bluster in the media about withdrawing the licence fee, let it be known behind the scenes that won't happen if they are more compliant with the government and bingo, you've got the next best thing to state run media.
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Manufactured Consent 101
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,756
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Manufactured Consent 101
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They've got a phrase for everything. Could have saved me a lot of typing if I'd known that!
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,757
Ring Of Steel said:
Don’t believe the nonsense about flights from USA being controlled, reduced, vetted

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That really fucking pisses me off lol there shouldn't be allowed to be any in unless its the transportation of goods....
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,758
skybluesam66 said:
Main issue with the NHS (apart from the poor funding) is the Trusts being set up individually from an admin point of view
Not using joint purchasing power, suppliers , Payroll, Finance etc

Looking on the web there are companies trying to bring that together eg
The Edge4Health ™ | The Edge

but we have all heard of stories of some trusts paying a fortune for loo rolls or light bulbs etc
This needs to be sorted, so the NHS can focus on what they are the best at
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A centralised procurement process and organisation was set up a few years ago which all Trusts pay for.
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,759
SkyBlueDom26 said:
That really fucking pisses me off lol there shouldn't be allowed to be any in unless its the transportation of goods....
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Well unfortunately they’re likely to be transporting in some viral goods alright. Just another blunder to add to the list.
 
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Magwitch

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,760
Let’s not blaming the Chinese mantra now gathering pace mask the pathetic initial handling of this virus by our Government, the top leaders of the world such as Trump, Maccron, Merkel and sadly our own will be all looking for somewhere, anywhere to pass the buck.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,761
shmmeee said:
The EU is some intangible *foreign* thing. The NHS is what just saved your nans life. The two aren’t comparable.

I know there’s this meme that the right wing press have magic mind control powers but in reality they just play to people’s base interests that already exist.
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Would like to think you're right but fear you're giving people too much credit. Unless Johnson gets up and literally says we're shutting down the NHS and replacing it with a US style system nobody will say a word as services continue to be sold off to their mates.
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,762
Magwitch said:
Let’s not blaming the Chinese mantra now gathering pace mask the pathetic initial handling of this virus by our Government, the top leaders of the world such as Trump, Maccron, Merkel and sadly our own will be all looking for somewhere to pass the buck.
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Trump has already started- he needed to find a country that has made a real big mess so that he could deflect away from his own failings- sadly that would be us.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,763
Ring Of Steel said:
Don’t believe the nonsense about flights from USA being controlled, reduced, vetted

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Sky scanner suggests most are going to Dublin?

Found the cheapest flights of the year from United States.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,764
SkyBlueDom26 said:
That really fucking pisses me off lol there shouldn't be allowed to be any in unless its the transportation of goods....
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Flights are banned going into the us so I’d read between the lines rather than make a sensational headline. What’s the implication here? Loads of us tourists coming for bus tour round the palace?
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,765
Ring Of Steel said:
Don’t believe the nonsense about flights from USA being controlled, reduced, vetted

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All those 40% departmental spending cuts have to have an impact somewhere. Even if we wanted to do checks on the border, the government literally doesn't have the resource to do it.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,766
fernandopartridge said:
All those 40% departmental spending cuts have to have an impact somewhere. Even if we wanted to do checks on the border, the government literally doesn't have the resource to do it.
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Most now are cargo flights. Heathrow has doubled its capacity of cargo flights in the last few days
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,767
Grendel said:
Sky scanner suggests most are going to Dublin?

Found the cheapest flights of the year from United States.
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Rather than looking at what's in the air, which could be private or cargo, better to look at the passenger airport arrivals. Heathrow has several cancelled flights from NY showing but also shows 5 have already landed today which possibly suggests cancelled flights are more to do with demand than any blocks on flying.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,768
MalcSB said:
A centralised procurement process and organisation was set up a few years ago which all Trusts pay for.
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The Category Towers? Problem with it and every other model is that their primary focus is not ensuring absolute continuity of supply but cost savings.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,769
Trump last week: "We lose thousands of people a year to the flu," he said then. "We never turn the country off."

Trump this week: "A lot of people were saying think of it as the flu, but it's not the flu," he said. "It's vicious."

Has the penny finally dropped?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,770
chiefdave said:
Rather than looking at what's in the air, which could be private or cargo, better to look at the passenger airport arrivals. Heathrow has several cancelled flights from NY showing but also shows 5 have already landed today which possibly suggests cancelled flights are more to do with demand than any blocks on flying.
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Most flights are repatriation or cargo flights
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,771
Why are planes still flying?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,772
Grendel said:
Most flights are repatriation or cargo flights
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Are people being repatriated going into 2 weeks quarantine straight from the plane like Australia or are they just going straight home and carrying on?
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,773
skybluetony176 said:
Are people being repatriated going into 2 weeks quarantine straight from the plane like Australia or are they just going straight home and carrying on?
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I think you already know the answer to that
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,774
This furlough scheme is another shambles- 6 mths cashflow statetements, statement of personal assets, mgt accounts, no portal up and running, no word on who qualifies
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,775
Sick Boy said:
Even the Mail is getting stuck into them now.
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Has been for 2-3 weeks mate

skybluetony176 said:
Are people being repatriated going into 2 weeks quarantine straight from the plane like Australia or are they just going straight home and carrying on?
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What’s the point in quarantining when we already have high numbers here (especially if they’re coming from lower confirmed case country) ? Everyone should self isolate with symptoms anyway and social distance if outside without symptoms
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,776
CCFCSteve said:
Has been for 2-3 weeks mate



What’s the point in quarantining when we already have high numbers here (especially if they’re coming from lower confirmed case country) ? Everyone should self isolate with symptoms anyway and social distance if outside without symptoms
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Exactly - the hysteria and frothing from the usual subjects is boring.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,777
Ring Of Steel said:
This furlough scheme is another shambles- 6 mths cashflow statetements, statement of personal assets, mgt accounts, no portal up and running, no word on who qualifies
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Portal was never going to be up and running (they said on announcement that it would be end April - that’s probably unrealistic but finger crossed). The government backed loans were due to plug the gap in short term.

There can be genuine issues/concerns ie ventilators, PPE distribution and testing of NHS staff but moaning about everything just dilutes this

Ps companies have got weeks to pull together supporting docs for furloughed scheme and I’d rather have some qualification than just pay out every claim as this is going to cost us all
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,778
clint van damme said:
When my work started sending people with underlying health issues home they only sent type 1 diabetics so I assumed type 2 didn't present too much of an issue
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Makes absolutely no difference whether type 1 or type 2 in terms of vulnerability. It's just part of the general misunderstanding of type 2.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,779
chiefdave said:
Trump last week: "We lose thousands of people a year to the flu," he said then. "We never turn the country off."

Trump this week: "A lot of people were saying think of it as the flu, but it's not the flu," he said. "It's vicious."

Has the penny finally dropped?
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He does this a lot. He genuinely just takes his views from the most convincing person he’s recently met.
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,780
CCFCSteve said:
Portal was never going to be up and running (they said on announcement that it would be end April - that’s probably unrealistic but finger crossed). The government backed loans were due to plug the gap in short term.

There can be genuine issues/concerns ie ventilators, PPE distribution and testing of NHS staff but moaning about everything just dilutes this

Ps companies have got weeks to pull together supporting docs for furloughed scheme and I’d rather have some qualification than just pay out every claim as this is going to cost us all
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But I thought the government said there is no problem with PPE & ventilators and that testing is being ramped up, is that not quite true?

Looking likely that no funds will be paid until at least the end of May but probably June or even later, and the info thats needed is highly onerous but also some is highly subjective raising big concerns about how they will actually decide who can claim. Firms are still being told that it will be better to lay off than take the risk of applying- too much vagueness and grey areas. Its a mess basically.
 
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