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usskyblue

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,711
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,712
A quality Tweet.

 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,713
shmmeee said:
You want to invade China?
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Maybe just the sas into the markets or wherever this came from.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,714
Nick said:
Maybe just the sas into the markets or wherever this came from.
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Diving in with sliding tackles?
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,715
shmmeee said:
No one is touching the NHS after this.
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On the contrary, from what I’ve witnessed in this Country’s politics and the way people respond
To it in recent times I think the opposite is true, if a strong movement in Goverment made a solid
play for some form of privatisation of the NHS ‘galvanised with the full support of the Right wing
press/MSM, a significant number of the population would be clamouring for it.
Seems crazy I know ‘but you only have to look at Brexit to see how it’s done.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,716
mark82 said:
I bet quite a lot of people are. I'm type 2 diabetic. There's pretty much nothing wrong with me these days on a day to day basis (although still medicated at the moment), but if I was unlucky with this I'd be classed as having an underlying issue. The mortality rate for those with diabetes is quite scary too.
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When my work started sending people with underlying health issues home they only sent type 1 diabetics so I assumed type 2 didn't present too much of an issue
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,717
Nick said:
Send somebody else's military in then.

Let's face it, if it did come from an animal market it has the potential to kill much more than an air strike.
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It actually wouldn't surprise me if there was a war against China after all this is done. It would literally be the world against Wuhan!

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,718
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,719
Brylowes said:
On the contrary, from what I’ve witnessed in this Country’s politics and the way people respond
To it in recent times I think the opposite is true, if a strong movement in Goverment made a solid
play for some form of privatisation of the NHS ‘galvanised with the full support of the Right wing
press/MSM, a significant number of the population would be clamouring for it.
Seems crazy I know ‘but you only have to look at Brexit to see how it’s done.
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The EU is some intangible *foreign* thing. The NHS is what just saved your nans life. The two aren’t comparable.

I know there’s this meme that the right wing press have magic mind control powers but in reality they just play to people’s base interests that already exist.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,720
skyblue1991 said:
It actually wouldn't surprise me if there was a war against China after all this is done. It would literally be the world against Wuhan!

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There’s never going to be a war against China. And if there was they’d have two of the top three militaries on their side and control shit like telecoms and nuclear power stations in our countries.

Like it or not they can do what they want in part thanks to our government kissing their ass for the last ten years.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,721
shmmeee said:
There’s never going to be a war against China. And if there was they’d have two of the top three militaries on their side and control shit like telecoms and nuclear power stations in our countries.

Like it or not they can do what they want in part thanks to our government kissing their ass for the last ten years.
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I thought this war with China rhetoric was some sort of April fools joke. People weren't serious were they?
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,722
shmmeee said:
There’s never going to be a war against China. And if there was they’d have two of the top three militaries on their side and control shit like telecoms and nuclear power stations in our countries.

Like it or not they can do what they want in part thanks to our government kissing their ass for the last ten years.
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Of course they can do what they want. Ask the Uighurs. No-one has batted an eyelid.
People keep making them richer by buying products made in working conditions that would be illegal and scandalous in the EU etc.
But let's point at nearly every govt in the world not just the UK one when it comes to bending over
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,723
tisza said:
Of course they can do what they want. Ask the Uighurs. No-one has batted an eyelid.
People keep making them richer by buying products made in working conditions that would be illegal and scandalous in the EU etc.
But let's point at nearly every govt in the world not just the UK one when it comes to bending over
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It is every country, though this brand of Tories have been particular China fans. George Osborne especially. Even Trump knew not to get the Chinese to build your key infrastructure.
 

BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,724
The only reason for a conflict ever possible with China would be against the spratley islands and even then almost impossible, UK and China have good relations and have had for a number of decades , this will not change
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,725
BackRoomRummermill said:
The only reason for a conflict ever possible with China would be against the spratley islands and even then almost impossible, UK and China have good relations and have had for a number of decades , this will not change
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Correct. Absolute madness to suggest this will damage relationships.
Once this is over it will be business as usual. In fact, given the kick in the economy is taking I'd imagine we'll be trying to cement further trade with them as will other economies.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,726
If there was to be a chasm,I'd expect to come between Europe and USA , should Trump harden further on trading relations between the two.
I don't see that EU is likely to take any adverse steps re China, the opposite in fact.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,727
IDS has been talking about repercussions for China, presumably in his fantasy land he thinks the country should get the gunboats out.
 
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Otis

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,728
wingy said:
If there was to be a chasm,I'd expect to come between Europe and USA , should Trump harden further on trading relations between the two.
I don't see that EU is likely to take any adverse steps re China, the opposite in fact.
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We can't fall out with China, too many of us have those gold coloured, handwaving cats in our windows.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,729
Sick Boy said:
IDS has been talking about repercussions for China, presumably in his fantasy land he thinks the country should get the gunboats out.
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He belongs to the 19th century.
 

tisza

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,730
Sick Boy said:
IDS has been talking about repercussions for China, presumably in his fantasy land he thinks the country should get the gunboats out.
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The caveat to that is if it does turn out China has been misleading the world over its fatalities then there will be a limited backlash.
Many countries based their strategies on data China provided - if that data was falsified then some countries will find it hard to convince people to trade with China in the short-term.
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,731
wingy said:
He belongs to the 19th century.
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A quiet man with so much to be quiet about.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,732
tisza said:
The caveat to that is if it does turn out China has been misleading the world over its fatalities then there will be a limited backlash.
Many countries based their strategies on data China provided - if that data was falsified then some countries will find it hard to convince people to trade with China in the short-term.
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Whatever China said no way other governments didn't have a more accurate handle on the true figures

All these countries are into each others business more than ever now with the availability of digital espionage. Inconceivable to think China's data was taken at face value
 
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Magwitch

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,733
Sick Boy said:
IDS has been talking about repercussions for China, presumably in his fantasy land he thinks the country should get the gunboats out.
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I suppose IDS has developed a potent weapon we could use against China and the Chinese people, it’s called
Universal Credit.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,734
Main issue with the NHS (apart from the poor funding) is the Trusts being set up individually from an admin point of view
Not using joint purchasing power, suppliers , Payroll, Finance etc

Looking on the web there are companies trying to bring that together eg
The Edge4Health ™ | The Edge

but we have all heard of stories of some trusts paying a fortune for loo rolls or light bulbs etc
This needs to be sorted, so the NHS can focus on what they are the best at
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,735
tisza said:
The caveat to that is if it does turn out China has been misleading the world over its fatalities then there will be a limited backlash.
Many countries based their strategies on data China provided - if that data was falsified then some countries will find it hard to convince people to trade with China in the short-term.
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I think it’s beyond any doubt that they have misled the world but unfortunately there’s not going to be much of a backlash against them, even though I think there definitely should be.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,736
Otis said:
Diving in with sliding tackles?
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Let them know we are there. Let the dogs free.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,737
Sick Boy said:
I think it’s beyond any doubt that they have misled the world but unfortunately there’s not going to be much of a backlash against them, even though I think there definitely should be.
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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-china-covid-cases.html
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,738
Sick Boy said:
I think it’s beyond any doubt that they have misled the world but unfortunately there’s not going to be much of a backlash against them, even though I think there definitely should be.
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What form should that take?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,739
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,740
wingy said:
What form should that take?
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Don’t ask me
 

tisza

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,741
Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,742
Sick Boy said:
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Seen this morning that doctors in New York were given rain ponchos as PPE.
These populists are definitely in a competition to see just how far they can go and still get away with it there's no other explanation.
Seen as Organ has now turned Hungary into a dictatorship I'd say he wins.
Even Durterte holds elections.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,743
Sick Boy said:
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Jesus Andrew Neil criticising the Tory government, it must be April 1st.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,744
tisza said:
Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt
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China can go fuck themselves for a while, we only have two things to be focussing on- testing people and providing basic equipment. Attempting to deflect and doing the usual “yes but what about them” routine is not going to save any lives.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 1, 2020
  • #10,745
shmmeee said:
Jesus Andrew Neil criticising the Tory government, it must be April 1st.
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They can all see what a terrible job the govt are doing, only the real nutjobs are saying otherwise at this point.
 
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