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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,641
I'm a member of a web forum for NHS procurement people, some of the really banal practicalities really bring it home to you. Somebody has put a post on asking if anybody knows any suppliers of body bags, as NHS Supply Chain (DHL) hasn't got any in stock.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,642
cc84cov said:
13 year old healthy boy has died in the UK
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In fairness the hospital has said that he'd been diagnosed but his death has been referred to the coroner, so it might not be that clear cut.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,643
fernandopartridge said:
I'm a member of a web forum for NHS procurement people, some of the really banal practicalities really bring it home to you. Somebody has put a post on asking if anybody knows any suppliers of body bags, as NHS Supply Chain (DHL) hasn't got any in stock.
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Maybe it's only one per customer.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,644
We will see, don’t fall for feeling sorry for the lame duck, 10 years of neglect and austerity will be paid for.
Especially when they start reducing the NHS again.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,645
Magwitch said:
We will see, don’t fall for feeling sorry for the lame duck, 10 years of neglect and austerity will be paid for.
Especially when they start reducing the NHS again.
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No one is touching the NHS after this.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,646
shmmeee said:
No one is touching the NHS after this.
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Unless popular opinion is persuaded that it could be better managed and resourced under a private insurance system...
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,647
Deleted member 5849 said:
Unless popular opinion is persuaded that it could be better managed and resourced under a private insurance system...
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Im willing to let it take the Pepsi challenge against literally every other healthcare system in the world on a per capita cost basis and see who thinks that afterwards.

I suspect the mere mention of the words “US style healthcare” will be enough for most people.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,648
Deleted member 5849 said:
Unless popular opinion is persuaded that it could be better managed and resourced under a private insurance system...
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You’d have to be pretty dumb to believe that given how events are unfolding in America.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,649
shmmeee said:
Im willing to let it take the Pepsi challenge against literally every other healthcare system in the world on a per capita cost basis and see who thinks that afterwards.

I suspect the mere mention of the worlds “US style healthcare” will be enough for most people.
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I've lost all faith in the numbers being sufficient to persuade the populace
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,650
Deleted member 5849 said:
I've lost all faith in the numbers being sufficient to persuade the populace
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When a Tory PM is out clapping the NHS it’s not about numbers. Anyone arguing for a change will need to have some proof though, and I’m confident they won’t find it. The emotional tie to the NHS after this will be huge. From national religion to cult.

Apparently in Westminster the populist view is seen as “fund the NHS and hang the pedos”, if there’s one thing you shouldn’t have to worry about with a populist government it’s selling off the NHS anyway. That was Labours biggest strategic mistake last election. Hanging everything on an idea that didn’t seem credible to most because they knew they’d never vote for a party that sold off the NHS.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,651
shmmeee said:
No one is touching the NHS after this.
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Does that include social care and thousands of low paid “key” workers.
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,652
cc84cov said:
How many on here have an under lying health issue out of curiosity? I’m asthmatic and hoping to not pick this virus up
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I bet quite a lot of people are. I'm type 2 diabetic. There's pretty much nothing wrong with me these days on a day to day basis (although still medicated at the moment), but if I was unlucky with this I'd be classed as having an underlying issue. The mortality rate for those with diabetes is quite scary too.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,653
Magwitch said:
Does that include social care and low paid “key” workers.
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Now that’s where the real political hay is made IMO.
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,654
Deleted member 5849 said:
Unless popular opinion is persuaded that it could be better managed and resourced under a private insurance system...
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Which is why the unfolding disaster in the US should be the final nail in that particular coffin. The more people here understand the US healthcare system, the safer the NHS.

This has to be the point where society realises what is important.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,655
shmmeee said:
Now that’s where the real political hay is made IMO.
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These people will organise believe me along with nurses and the lower paid hospital workers, already happening.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,656
Magwitch said:
These people will organise believe me along with nurses and the lower paid hospital workers, already happening.
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I hope that includes delivery drivers, warehouse staff and retail workers as well. Real chance for some good old fashioned solidarity right now. Not sure the current unions are up to the job mind.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,657
shmmeee said:
No one is touching the NHS after this.
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Have you not seen the anti-NHS propaganda already being touted by people like Isobel Oakeshott? The narrative is already being prepared for us all- “the NHS is not equipped, it can’t cope, we need to improve it”- and ‘improve’ means privatise. In fairness she got ripped to shreds along with the others, but that’s the agenda and they won’t stop.
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,658
Coronavirus: National League's three divisions suspended indefinitely
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,659
Deleted member 5849 said:
Unless popular opinion is persuaded that it could be better managed and resourced under a private insurance system...
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already happening.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,660
Ring Of Steel said:
Have you not seen the anti-NHS propaganda already being touted by people like Isobel Oakeshott? The narrative is already being prepared for us all- “the NHS is not equipped, it can’t cope, we need to improve it”- and ‘improve’ means privatise. In fairness she got ripped to shreds along with the others, but that’s the agenda and they won’t stop.
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One thing I hope that comes out of this is edgy shock jock columnists like Toby Young and Brendan O’Neil stop getting attention and are exposed for the ludicrous contrarians they are. Ideally some of the loonier left as well.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,661
shmmeee said:
Im willing to let it take the Pepsi challenge against literally every other healthcare system in the world on a per capita cost basis and see who thinks that afterwards.

I suspect the mere mention of the words “US style healthcare” will be enough for most people.
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The evidence is already there, look at some of the places that voted Tory because they got convinced brexit what was they wanted even though it will clearly put large swathes of the places on the dole. The largest, best equipped and well oiled social media machine will have people looking back fondly at the NHS but accepting that it’s time for an “upgrade”.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,662
shmmeee said:
One thing I hope that comes out of this is edgy shock jock columnists like Toby Young and Brendan O’Neil stop getting attention and are exposed for the ludicrous contrarians they are. Ideally some of the loonier left as well.
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I haven’t seen O’Neill but that Toby Young, as well as being a disgusting human being, he’s just as thick as pig shit.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,663
skybluetony176 said:
You’d have to be pretty dumb to believe that given how events are unfolding in America.
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You’d also have to be pretty dumb to work at Nissan and vote for Brexit.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,664
Deleted member 5849 said:
I've lost all faith in the numbers being sufficient to persuade the populace
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Sad but very true, unfortunately.
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,665
Magwitch said:
These people will organise believe me along with nurses and the lower paid hospital workers, already happening.
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My wife works in childcare. She's in charge of children's lives for minimum wage. It's shocking really, but nurseries run at pretty minimal profits due to the ratio's they have to keep and the incredibly low level of funding they receive from the government for those getting free childcare (anyone over 3, plus a percentage of over 2's).
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,666
Otis said:
Coronavirus: National League's three divisions suspended indefinitely
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Gulp.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,667
Ring Of Steel said:
Have you not seen the anti-NHS propaganda already being touted by people like Isobel Oakeshott? The narrative is already being prepared for us all- “the NHS is not equipped, it can’t cope, we need to improve it”- and ‘improve’ means privatise. In fairness she got ripped to shreds along with the others, but that’s the agenda and they won’t stop.
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Isn’t she shagging fellow dickhead Richard Tice? Who happens to be doing the same.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,668
Why are the Chinese opening their live animal markets again?
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,669
Nick said:
Why are the Chinese opening their live animal markets again?
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Because they've convinced everyone they've beaten this?
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,670
skybluetony176 said:
Isn’t she shagging fellow dickhead Richard Tice? Who happens to be doing the same.
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that’s the one.
Anyone would think all those guys had something to gain from it. Tice is also slating the government and Toby Young is saying the government is overreacting. They’re all fucking crazy
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,671
Ring Of Steel said:
You’d also have to be pretty dumb to work at Nissan and vote for Brexit.
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Not even the only big European manufacturer with manufacturing based in Sunderland.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,672
mark82 said:
Because they've convinced everyone they've beaten this?
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Their military should be out putting bullets in people who try that sort of weird shit.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,673
Otis said:
Coronavirus: National League's three divisions suspended indefinitely
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I don't think that's such a bad thing. There is no need to put arbitrary dates on when the season will resume as the situation could change and in the article it says "The National League said it was looking at "how best to conclude" the season."
 
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Magwitch

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,674
Isobel Oakeshott is starting to appear on all sorts of discussion shows along with that garbage Peter Hitchins who on Piers Morgan’s morning show was suggesting a lot of this virus issue was exaggerated and you are correct the “establishment” are gearing up for the aftermath but very wary at the moment. They know their world won’t be the same again
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,675
Magwitch said:
Isobel Oakeshott is starting to appear on all sorts of discussion shows along with that garbage Peter Hitchins who on Piers Morgan’s morning show was suggesting a lot of this virus issue was exaggerated and you are correct the “establishment” are gearing up for the aftermath but very wary at the moment. They know their world won’t be the same again
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yeah saw that- they’re trying to influence and manipulate while the population is at its most vulnerable and pliable to believe things they wouldn’t normally believe. In the same way they taught masses to be afraid of immigrants, they will prey on nerves and teach people to fear ‘the NHS not being enough any more’ Farage was saying that for months already.
 
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