That's the report I saw. There doesn't appear go be any verification quotes in there. Only quotes seem to be lifted from social media.It's been reported by the BBC so you would hope they verified it if the locals didn't.
The UK's coronavirus policy may sound scientific. It isn't | Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Yaneer Bar-Yam
Interesting read. It's by Nassim Nicholas Taleb before anyone loses their shit so pretty authoritative.
Correct, we absolutely nailed the early track and trace stage which is 1 reason why we are in a much better placeOnly time will the what actions/measures etc have worked or not. Nassim appears to have conveniently forgotten the initial steps/strategy that gave us a head start over certain European countries. Also, the fact that by basing our decisions on modelling/remodelling the strategy was amended/accelerated and, that Cummings (who I’m not particularly a fan of) wanted a full lockdown if London two weeks ago. but hey, those things don’t quite fit with the article. Worth also remembering that articles such as these are based on knowing/insight into a fraction of the conversations, data etc being shared at senior level. These authors might well ultimately be correct but as I say, only time will tell. In the meantime I’d rather be following advice from a Chris Witty of this world, rather than a professor of risk engineering (may be ill be proven wrong in due course though)
Ps read about this earlier, might be useful for Hills and others with symptoms to sign up even belatedly I guess (it’s a C-19 symptom tracker set up by ICL COVID Symptom Tracker) - Nick worth having the link as a sticky thread ??
Only time will the what actions/measures etc have worked or not. Nassim appears to have conveniently forgotten the initial steps/strategy that gave us a head start over certain European countries. Also, the fact that by basing our decisions on modelling/remodelling the strategy was amended/accelerated and, that Cummings (who I’m not particularly a fan of) wanted a full lockdown if London two weeks ago. but hey, those things don’t quite fit with the article. Worth also remembering that articles such as these are based on knowing/insight into a fraction of the conversations, data etc being shared at senior level. These authors might well ultimately be correct but as I say, only time will tell. In the meantime I’d rather be following advice from a Chris Witty of this world, rather than a professor of risk engineering (may be ill be proven wrong in due course though)
Ps read about this earlier, might be useful for Hills and others with symptoms to sign up even belatedly I guess (it’s a C-19 symptom tracker set up by ICL COVID Symptom Tracker) - Nick worth having the link as a sticky thread ??
All valid points but it must also be noted that every country has their own Chris Witty equivalent.
I've seen that Cummings wanted London in lockdown earlier but has that been confirmed and if so do we know where the hold up was?
He was overruled. It was in a Sunday Times article which also mentioned him being happy for old people to die (probably not quite accurate !!!)
London appears to be adhering to the latest measures (from what I’ve heard) so hopefully won’t be necessary but i do think stricter measures might have to be implemented in the big cities
I don't read too much into the bits that don't make sense. Too much of it. A guess is the gospel to many and others believe every word they see.
Good and hopefully the measures for the gig/self employed workers will be enough. If it is 80 percent of your present earnings then that could of been implemented in the original measures.I see today many construction companies are shutting down to keep their workers safe which will help.
Only time will the what actions/measures etc have worked or not. Nassim appears to have conveniently forgotten the initial steps/strategy that gave us a head start over certain European countries. Also, the fact that by basing our decisions on modelling/remodelling the strategy was amended/accelerated and, that Cummings (who I’m not particularly a fan of) wanted a full lockdown if London two weeks ago. but hey, those things don’t quite fit with the article. Worth also remembering that articles such as these are based on knowing/insight into a fraction of the conversations, data etc being shared at senior level. These authors might well ultimately be correct but as I say, only time will tell. In the meantime I’d rather be following advice from a Chris Witty of this world, rather than a professor of risk engineering (may be ill be proven wrong in due course though)
Ps read about this earlier, might be useful for Hills and others with symptoms to sign up even belatedly I guess (it’s a C-19 symptom tracker set up by ICL COVID Symptom Tracker) - Nick worth having the link as a sticky thread ??
And that is the problem. So many people want to put their views across. And when someone points out something they always find an excuse.Only time will the what actions/measures etc have worked or not. Nassim appears to have conveniently forgotten the initial steps/strategy that gave us a head start over certain European countries. Also, the fact that by basing our decisions on modelling/remodelling the strategy was amended/accelerated and, that Cummings (who I’m not particularly a fan of) wanted a full lockdown if London two weeks ago. but hey, those things don’t quite fit with the article.
Japan is interesting - I suspect it’s culture of natural social distancing may actually prove to be a factor that worked in their favour
He was overruled. It was in a Sunday Times article which also mentioned him being happy for old people to die (probably not quite accurate !!!)
London appears to be adhering to the latest measures (from what I’ve heard) so hopefully won’t be necessary but i do think stricter measures might have to be implemented in the big cities
Things must be put in place for it to work. Look at the BBQ incident yesterday in Coventry. They know we are not in a proper lockdown yet as it hasn't been passed as law. People need to know about financial matters. Companies need to know if they are to continue or shut. Everyone needs to know what the penalty is for not doing as instructed.All valid points but it must also be noted that every country has their own Chris Witty equivalent.
I've seen that Cummings wanted London in lockdown earlier but has that been confirmed and if so do we know where the hold up was?
Very noticeable that you leave out Patrick Vallance, when for a week on here it was Whitty and Vallance that were going to singlehandedly save planet earth. Vallance now quietly dropped, and it’s Chris Whitty who is the saviour.
Also noticeable that once again it seems to be important to “do better than other countries”.
North Korea would love to sign you up for propaganda purposes if you are seriously able to say that our initial steps were successful with a straight face. There will be a public enquiry into our initial steps, which were woeful, inadequate and laughable if it weren’t for the fact people were dying.
Are you the Conservative Party press officer.
Explain how per capita distorts against small countries.Ah, so you didn’t understand it. Got ya.
In a nutshell during an outbreak per cap numbers distort against small countries. At the stage we are at all outbreaks grow in the same way so absolute numbers are best.
Also a virus outbreak is not a function of lifestyle or healthcare so the usual reasons for per cap figures for comparability don’t count.
HS2 isn't shutting down round here. The workers there are definitely not self isolating, they are holding meetings and briefings with 10+ persons.I see today many construction companies are shutting down to keep their workers safe which will help.
Very noticeable that you leave out Patrick Vallance, when for a week on here it was Whitty and Vallance that were going to singlehandedly save planet earth. Vallance now quietly dropped, and it’s Chris Whitty who is the saviour.
Also noticeable that once again it seems to be important to “do better than other countries”.
North Korea would love to sign you up for propaganda purposes if you are seriously able to say that our initial steps were successful with a straight face. There will be a public enquiry into our initial steps, which were woeful, inadequate and laughable if it weren’t for the fact people were dying.
Are you the Conservative Party press officer.
Our phase 1 strategy was successful - people are dying across all of the west - will there be enquiries in every other country as well?
Vallance hasn’t been dropped has he ?! I’ll happy to amend and say both, the only reason I mentioned Witty solely is I know he’s an epidemiologist
I was referring to our trace and track methods at the early stages (getting people to call 111 rather than going into doctors surgeries, getting them to self isolate and those they’d been into contact with) I presume these had a positive impact looking at the dates of the first/early cases and then spread after this. The actions taken following is what I think you are referring to ie not starting a lockdown sooner
Ps No need for the other stuff
Vallance hasn’t been dropped has he ?! I’ll happy to amend and say both, the only reason I mentioned Witty solely is I know he’s an epidemiologist
I was referring to our trace and track methods at the early stages (getting people to call 111 rather than going into doctors surgeries, getting them to self isolate and those they’d been into contact with) I presume these had a positive impact looking at the dates of the first/early cases and then the delayed spread after this. The actions taken following is what I think you are referring to ie not starting a lockdown sooner, which I’m sure will be looked into.
Ps No need for the other stuff
HS2 isn't shutting down round here. The workers there are definitely not self isolating, they are holding meetings and briefings with 10+ persons.
No 'real booze'?? Have you resorted to making moonshine in your toilet?After 3 months with no real booze my liver will explode
Typical Tories. “Would you rather be in Italy?”
When it is made law yes it will be important. That should be today....tomorrow at the latest. Then we will have to see what procedures they put in place to show why we are not at home.Still at work here and now have a letter to show the police as to why I am on the roads. Don't know if that's the business being cautious or whether they have been advised that the police will be more stringent.
I think those measures have probably bought us 2-3 weeks but they haven't changed the trajectory like in some Asian countries who were more thorough.
And by the same token, could Italy and Spain have had it worse because they are a bit more huggy/kiss on the cheek types for greetings?Japan is interesting - I suspect it’s culture of natural social distancing may actually prove to be a factor that worked in their favour
"The Bland family have not been tested for coronavirus, but if their results came back positive it means the virus hit UK shores a month earlier than thought."Coronavirus UK: Patient zero 'is Sussex IT worker, 50 | Daily Mail Online
Absolutely disgraceful from the Daily Mail
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And by the same token, could Italy and Spain have had it worse because they are a bit more huggy/kiss on the cheek types for greetings?
I guess you have a valid point. These cultural differences must have had a significant impact.And by the same token, could Italy and Spain have had it worse because they are a bit more huggy/kiss on the cheek types for greetings?
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