I do find it funny the so called "all in it together left" become cosy middle class "Im alright Jack" when it suits
Hourly paid serfs go and do the dirty work while I order a cappuccino and croissant and pick my kids up and still get paid more than the oiks actually working
Do we have mandatory tests for any other illness that we can live with before we do anything?
Not really, is it. It's a practical 'what's the point of going in if there is no point?' I mean, your original point was perfectly reasonable (among the whinging, nobody can actually say what they're being stopped from doing in this country just atm, which suggests that they're just self-centred pricks really if they complain about having to wear a mask around vulnerable people who, well, *have* to go into work). I'd also count the 'need to see people as otherwise I'll go mad' as a reason why somebody *can't* wfh.I do find it funny the so called "all in it together left" become cosy middle class "Im alright Jack" when it suits
Hourly paid serfs go and do the dirty work while I order a cappuccino and croissant and pick my kids up and still get paid more than the oiks actually working
It's the question people refuse to answer, while being stuck, tedious, egocentric records...What exactly is it people are wanting to do that they are being prevented from doing with the current rules in place?
A lot of people do not like it - I think FP said he would leave his job if he had to carry on without colleague interaction - its causing a lot of issues at my old company in the staff areas and a lot of animosity with the hourly paid who have to work in the building - some staff are now demanding to not have meetings that effect their ability to take children to their schools. Others are saying they have to WFH or would have to re-instate child care and want compensating.
If they refuse to attend a meeting during their core hours, then that's nowt to do whether they're wfh or not, that's them being a self-centred bellend.A lot of people do not like it - I think FP said he would leave his job if he had to carry on without colleague interaction - its causing a lot of issues at my old company in the staff areas and a lot of animosity with the hourly paid who have to work in the building - some staff are now demanding to not have meetings that effect their ability to take children to their schools. Others are saying they have to WFH or would have to re-instate child care and want compensating.
Your last paragraph is utter horseshitThere's so many benefits to WFH (if possible) that it would be madness to go back. The people I know who have been fortunate enough to be able to do their job like that love it. More free time, not sitting in traffic while not being paid...
Of course, those that don't have that luxury should be compensated, for example being paid for travel time as well as work hours. Those that like daily interaction could always work in a job that required an office setting, or regular meet-ups.
Apart from the obvious benefits of work/life balance, there's the environmental and health impacts of congestion from traffic as well as a future opportunity to reallocate things like business parks as residential, allowing much needed housing to be built without paving over yet more green areas. Some of the offices *may* even be able to be converted into apartments.
As far as I can tell the main people who are against WFH are those who are, or have friends/donors, heavily invested in commercial property. It's got nothing to do with what people want, or what is best for them, it's to do with what they've got money in.
Your last paragraph is utter horseshit
tbf, fp is one of them...Really? Tell who the main advocates for going back to the office are. And then tell me that they don't have some sort of financial gain to be made from it happening.
A lot of people do not like it - I think FP said he would leave his job if he had to carry on without colleague interaction - its causing a lot of issues at my old company in the staff areas and a lot of animosity with the hourly paid who have to work in the building - some staff are now demanding to not have meetings that effect their ability to take children to their schools. Others are saying they have to WFH or would have to re-instate child care and want compensating.
Flu season dont last a whole year + covid will be burnt out way before summer so look at around 1200 a week for 4 months, im not sayingnits a good thing but as someine who has had covid 4x now im about over itI could have guessed at the figures. Let’s assume:
Most of the deaths covid contributed to them where there was a positive test
Covid has contributed an additional number of deaths
The increases transmissions and cases led to more death than if it hadn’t happened
So I’m pretty sure that there were about 1500 a week for the last 2 weeks so an annualised figure of 80,000 so somewhat more than an heavy annual flu season
Hence the question
All good pointsFlu season dont last a whole year + covid will be burnt out way before summer so look at around 1200 a week for 4 months, im not sayingnits a good thing but as someine who has had covid 4x now im about over iti seriously can't go on any longer having to stop onside if i have a cold, im missing half the shit, i went from 170kg to 90kg and past year i gained bsck upto 126kg, covid has done nothing for me apart from pointing out i have a heart defeft that nearly killed me,
I am, I know if plenty of colleagues who are the same. Imposing home working on people without consultation is not on.Really? Tell who the main advocates for going back to the office are. And then tell me that they don't have some sort of financial gain to be made from it happening.
I am, I know if plenty of colleagues who are the same. Imposing home working on people without consultation is not on.
@Otis
I’ve got that sore throat thing now. Never known a sore throat like it, can’t eat anything with even a hint of salt in it. Feels like it’s burning like I’ve necked a pint of boiling water.
But drinking and normal everyday swallowing, no pain at all.
I agree entirely. There's no reason, of course, to compel people to go in for no reason either, mind you.I am, I know if plenty of colleagues who are the same. Imposing home working on people without consultation is not on.
I agree entirely. There's no reason, of course, to compel people to go in for no reason either, mind you.
I'd class wfh as possible to be, if you're capable of doing your job just as well from home, do it there. If wfh means your concentration / motivation suffers, then clearly that isn't doing it as well from home. There's no reason to *have* to be sat at a desk in a particular place answering emails, however.
I don't, it's covered in it. And yes I do know as I checked, given two of my three jobs have always been home working, anyway.Do you have to change your house insurance for home working?
I don't, it's covered in it. And yes I do know as I checked, given two of my three jobs have always been home working, anyway.
I agree, to be clear I've always had working from home as an option yet seldom used it. I applied for this job knowing what the commute is and in general anticipation of office based work so couldn't really argue against compulsory office working if it came to that.I agree entirely. There's no reason, of course, to compel people to go in for no reason either, mind you.
I'd class wfh as possible to be, if you're capable of doing your job just as well from home, do it there. If wfh means your concentration / motivation suffers, then clearly that isn't doing it as well from home. There's no reason to *have* to be sat at a desk in a particular place answering emails, however.
I agree, to be clear I've always had working from home as an option yet seldom used it. I applied for this job knowing what the commute is and in general anticipation of office based work so couldn't really argue against compulsory office working if it came to that.
The choice should be there like others have said. I had the choice until March 2020 and it has been removed without consultation. I could lodge a constructive dismissal grievance
Yes, office is now back in possession of the landlord!Have they closed down the office that you were meant to be in?
Just turn up and pull up a chair and start working.
Yes, office is now back in possession of the landlord!
I supported the premise of lockdown in March 2020. However, this thread is mental and worrying given what an overtly authoritarian government we have.
Its amazing (frightening !) how readily it was all accepted and encouraged
People arranging mass gatherings fair enough, a couple of mates walking in the park or two people having a relationship not allowed to see each other, really ?!
There’s probably far worse examples around the world as well. Was it in Spain they didn’t even let kids out to exercise ?!! I mean WTAF ?!!
Yeah I have worked at home full time since working for myself last March. You need to have a lot of discipline to be able to do it successfully.I now work full-time from home (although admittedly i spent today in the office... first day in office since November)
Has completely changed my lifestyle, and i would say my quality of life has increased significantly as well.
I imagine it may be different for someone younger and less experienced, who may need people around them in order to grow in their career... But i think that all things considered, the benefits for everyone far outweigh the drawbacks.
In Italy we weren’t allowed out to exercise for a while.Its amazing (frightening !) how readily it was all accepted and encouraged
People arranging mass gatherings fair enough, a couple of mates walking in the park or two people having a relationship not allowed to see each other, really ?!
There’s probably far worse examples around the world as well. Was it in Spain they didn’t even let kids out to exercise ?!! I mean WTAF ?!!
Its amazing (frightening !) how readily it was all accepted and encouraged
People arranging mass gatherings fair enough, a couple of mates walking in the park or two people having a relationship not allowed to see each other, really ?!
There’s probably far worse examples around the world as well. Was it in Spain they didn’t even let kids out to exercise ?!! I mean WTAF ?!!
This is why people were scared into it so they did accept it and even grass others up. Thinking that a couple of people in the park was dangerous and could kill their nan.
Pictures of people in China collapsing in the street with people in Hazmat suits. It was all bollocks.
Then you had Piers Morgan on ITV every day telling everybody they are going to die (meanwhile he was still living as normal and so was his son).
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