Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

Liquid Gold · Jan 13, 2022

The Americans are transing themselves instead of being vaccinated

Could estrogen help save lives from coronavirus?

With more than a million cases of COVID-19 in the United States doctors are finding the virus poses a greater danger of hospitalization, intubation and death for men and some say it may have to do with biological differences.

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CCFCSteve · Jan 13, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Capacity to get results, I'd suppose. PCR results on hospital are still coming back 24 hours later.

Yeah, could be an issue but from memory the numbers in nhs off with Covid were around tens of thousands, say it was 50k with 10k dropping off a day, that’s not too many to provide a streamlined/maybe overnight service for. Definitely doable if the will was there, same as quality PPE that BSB mentioned.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 13, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
And rinse and repeat. Actually, this time we were allowed to bypass A&E and go direct to the ward. Of course, all I could do was sit in a corridor and wait for my Dad before taking him home, where he'll be spending Christmas without his wife for the first time in over 50 years. At least this time I could hold my Mum's hand at home for half an hour, tell her I love her... and pray I get to see her again. I have a present on the stairs from my Mum and I don't know if I can open it, it upsets me too much. At least she got to see me married last year, even if it could only be both sets of parents there. Not what I wanted but, if I'd left it for this year, she'd have never been able to travel.

So, for those who want to tell me that I want to be scared, those who bang on in surety about the fact that we need no restrictions, those who bang on about people dying with, not of Omicron, I want you to consider this...

The policy has always been to protect the NHS. The transmissability of it can overtake any protection that is there if it does turn out to be milder. That is why people are analysing data, rather than just concluding it automatically. That is entirely right and proper.

Deaths are not the sole thing, it's capacity in the health system - capacity to help people like my Mum and to keep her safe, not to make her a statistic that well, she's old anyway. Not, for that matter, to keep her occupying a bed that could be needed for somebody else, because we didn't take measures to protect from complications.

This time last year, a friend's Dad had a fall. He would have recovered from that, but he caught Covid in hospital, died. This year, my friend has Christmas without his Dad around for the first time. He doesn't really care about semantics, what he does know is that without Covid his Dad would still be here.

Wearing a mask, taking a LFT doesn't actually stop you from doing anything. It's incredibly stupid to not try and slow the spread of something before you know what you're dealing with. One lesson we should have learned from March 2020, and 'look at Italy' type posts at the beginning of this thread. I fear I was guilty of that, too. We are in so much a better place than this time last yar, and it would be madness to throw that away on a whim. Better to be cautious, and then celebrate the fact that there is light at the end of a tunnel. Frankly, masks and wfh shouldn't have been taken away in the first place, it makes them so much harder to put back, and they are no big deal really.

So, think of mental health in all ways. My Christmas is trashed, completely. I can't go and see my Mum because they can't let Covid spread to people like her, where vaccine or no, it would have a damned good chance of taking her out before they get a chance to try and save her. Of course, we all hope this variant is actually not *too* bad, that it can blow through fast and then things can start to lift up a little. But, life is not just about me or you... a civilised society looks out for one another, a civilised society learns from the past, a civilised society is prepared to sacrifice a little for the greater good and, again, as it stands what does wearing a mask, taking a LFT actually stop you from doing?

A civilised society listens to the medical experts. Now that is critical thinking... not just looking for the ones that vindicate what you want to happen. We all want our 'old' lives back, it's been hard for all of us. But to get to that point, we have to trust in the consensus of medical experts, and actually show some critical thinking to not try and go down random rabbit holes.

And most of all, remember that you don't know anybody's situation on here, we can all be suffering.

Should I leave this post up, really? I don't like personal posts, really. But, this thread, and board, is getting so full of gung-ho attitudes that are understandable, maybe, because who wants to be restricted. They're not necessarily helpful, however. This thread and board is also getting a prevelance of rather destructive posts that are downright wrong, and damaging, really.

And again! A&E this time.

Tell you what, I'm an expert on how the healthcare systems functioning... or not.

Otis · Jan 14, 2022

Right, can I ask, through personal experience, or via people you know, can anyone identify with the symptoms I am having?

I am convinced it is still Covid related, but when I scour the internet, I am struggling to find anyone with the same longevity of symptoms.

So, as I said before, I had the very bad headache/bad headcold feeling and a sore throat and a bit of a fever etc.during the worst of it.

This is now at least 20 days in now and the headache and sore throat keep coming back and then dissipating, which I guess is the wave thing, but reading up, seems no-one gets a sore throat after about 5 days. Mine keeps coming and going. Over 20 days now. Same with the headache. Switches from side to side too, both the sore throat and the headache.

I am convinced it is nothing else other than Covid, because of the disappearance of the symptoms and then return of the symptoms and the sore throat never gets to be that bad. It just doesn't get worse and worse, which you would expect with any kind of infection. I get the sore throat and then it goes and comes back again.

The headaches seem milder now than before, but it's just everything keep coming back after you think you have seen the back of it. So, just wondering if anyone has encountered the same, or know anyone that has.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 14, 2022

Otis said:
Right, can I ask, through personal experience, or via people you know, can anyone identify with the symptoms I am having?

I am convinced it is still Covid related, but when I scour the internet, I am struggling to find anyone with the same longevity of symptoms.

So, as I said before, I had the very bad headache/bad headcold feeling and a sore throat and a bit of a fever etc.during the worst of it.

This is now at least 20 days in now and the headache and sore throat keep coming back and then dissipating, which I guess is the wave thing, but reading up, seems no-one gets a sore throat after about 5 days. Mine keeps coming and going. Over 20 days now. Same with the headache. Switches from side to side too, both the sore throat and the headache.

I am convinced it is nothing else other than Covid, because of the disappearance of the symptoms and then return of the symptoms and the sore throat never gets to be that bad. It just doesn't get worse and worse, which you would expect with any kind of infection. I get the sore throat and then it goes and comes back again.

The headaches seem milder now than before, but it's just everything keep coming back after you think you have seen the back of it. So, just wondering if anyone has encountered the same, or know anyone that has.

ARe you still testing positive? If not, I'd be ringing your doctor sharp-ish.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 14, 2022

Omicron may reach millions before vaccines do – but that doesn’t mean race to vaccinate the world is over

The new variant threatens to infect billions worldwide in early 2022.

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shmmeee · Jan 14, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
ARe you still testing positive? If not, I'd be ringing your doctor sharp-ish.

First (and only AFAIK) time I got covid I had a cough for ages afterwards, turned out I got bronchitis at the same time which was easily resolved but if I hadn’t gone to a GP I’d have left it untreated assuming it was covid and would pass.

My layman’s understanding is it can kick off or exacerbate other illnesses so easily confused.

Nick · Jan 14, 2022

Daily Express caught out making up stories to get people worked up about Anti Vaxxers.

Said Anti Vaxxers caused a death by taking up beds and meaning the ambulance took 8 hours to arrive. She died in 2020.

The father has launched a venomous attack on anti-vaxxers, holding them and the government accountable for his daughter Susann Sullivan’s tragic death from COVID-19 after a short 10-day long illness. Jon Sullivan blamed anti-vaxxers for occupying most beds in hospitals which forced his sick daughter to wait for up to eight hours for one to free up and the inundated ambulance to finally arrive. Mr Sullivan hit out at anti-vaxxers for taking up hospital beds out of ignorance, as they stubbornly refuse to get jabbed.

Shock. Drive that divide.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 14, 2022

Nick said:
Daily Express caught out making up stories to get people worked up about Anti Vaxxers.

Said Anti Vaxxers caused a death by taking up beds and meaning the ambulance took 8 hours to arrive. She died in 2020.

Shock. Drive that divide.

You seem particularly unwilling or unable to unerstand the issues hospitals are facing, and are determined to find things to back up your view, while ignoring others. The only person dividing is, well... you.

But hey, they just want people to be scared...

Nick · Jan 14, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
You seem particularly unwilling or unable to unerstand the issues hospitals are facing, and are determined to find things to back up your view, while ignoring others. The only person dividing is, well... you.

But hey, they just want people to be scared...

Yeah, it's clearly just me dividing. Only me.

You keep playing the victim to make me out to be the nasty man though. Ironic really.

Nick · Jan 14, 2022

Good news!

Sajid Javid to scrap Covid passes within a fortnight

Health Secretary Sajid Javid is said to have concluded that Covid-19 passes for entry to large events and nightclubs in England are no longer needed as the Omicron wave subsides.

www.dailymail.co.uk

chiefdave · Jan 14, 2022

Nick said:
Good news!

Sajid Javid to scrap Covid passes within a fortnight

Health Secretary Sajid Javid is said to have concluded that Covid-19 passes for entry to large events and nightclubs in England are no longer needed as the Omicron wave subsides.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Hope this is based on scientific advice and not a case of 'quick, remove the few mitigations we have to distract from the constant partying at Downing St'.

Otis · Jan 14, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
ARe you still testing positive? If not, I'd be ringing your doctor sharp-ish.

No, not testing positive. Trouble is, all the time I have had Covid, I only tested positive once and it was the thinnest of second lines. My understanding is the lateral tests don't pick up Omicron so well. I tested four times in total. Only once did I get a positive.

The fact that it's coming and going, tells me it's long Covid and the symptoms I have had are entirely in keeping with coronovirus symptoms.

I had quite a bad sore throat this morning, but now it has just disappeared again. Spoke to a few people about the waves associated with Covid. Just don't know anyone who kept getting sore throats.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 14, 2022

Otis said:
No, not testing positive. Trouble is, all the time I have had Covid, I only tested positive once and it was the thinnest of second lines. My understanding is the lateral tests don't pick up Omicron so well. I tested four times in total. Only once did I get a positive.

The fact that it's coming and going, tells me it's long Covid and the symptoms I have had are entirely in keeping with coronovirus symptoms.

I had quite a bad sore throat this morning, but now it has just disappeared again. Spoke to a few people about the waves associated with Covid. Just don't know anyone who kept getting sore throats.

I would definitely speak to your doctor. As shmmeee says, you don't want to risk to being something else and, at the best, your doctor can reassure you it's nothing to worry about. At worst, they can get on with treating you.

Nick · Jan 14, 2022

Otis said:
No, not testing positive. Trouble is, all the time I have had Covid, I only tested positive once and it was the thinnest of second lines. My understanding is the lateral tests don't pick up Omicron so well. I tested four times in total. Only once did I get a positive.

The fact that it's coming and going, tells me it's long Covid and the symptoms I have had are entirely in keeping with coronovirus symptoms.

I had quite a bad sore throat this morning, but now it has just disappeared again. Spoke to a few people about the waves associated with Covid. Just don't know anyone who kept getting sore throats.

Worth speaking to your doctor though if you can get in.

Are you taking anything other than painkillers? Vitamins etc etc?

Sick Boy · Jan 14, 2022

chiefdave said:
Hope this is based on scientific advice and not a case of 'quick, remove the few mitigations we have to distract from the constant partying at Downing St'.

It’ll be good enough to fool those who only think about themselves and not the bigger picture.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jan 14, 2022

Otis said:
No, not testing positive. Trouble is, all the time I have had Covid, I only tested positive once and it was the thinnest of second lines. My understanding is the lateral tests don't pick up Omicron so well. I tested four times in total. Only once did I get a positive.

The fact that it's coming and going, tells me it's long Covid and the symptoms I have had are entirely in keeping with coronovirus symptoms.

I had quite a bad sore throat this morning, but now it has just disappeared again. Spoke to a few people about the waves associated with Covid. Just don't know anyone who kept getting sore throats.

I echo the calls to visit the doctor.

Sore throat could be caused by a huge number of things. Your immune system working hard to keep things at bay after Covid. Could be totally unrelated, say tonsilitis or a thyroid problem.

Chances are it's something minor but it's now going on for long enough that it needs looking at properly.

chiefdave · Jan 14, 2022

Think some members of the government might need to check their timelines and do some deleting.

skybluetony176 · Jan 14, 2022

Otis said:
Right, can I ask, through personal experience, or via people you know, can anyone identify with the symptoms I am having?

I am convinced it is still Covid related, but when I scour the internet, I am struggling to find anyone with the same longevity of symptoms.

So, as I said before, I had the very bad headache/bad headcold feeling and a sore throat and a bit of a fever etc.during the worst of it.

This is now at least 20 days in now and the headache and sore throat keep coming back and then dissipating, which I guess is the wave thing, but reading up, seems no-one gets a sore throat after about 5 days. Mine keeps coming and going. Over 20 days now. Same with the headache. Switches from side to side too, both the sore throat and the headache.

I am convinced it is nothing else other than Covid, because of the disappearance of the symptoms and then return of the symptoms and the sore throat never gets to be that bad. It just doesn't get worse and worse, which you would expect with any kind of infection. I get the sore throat and then it goes and comes back again.

The headaches seem milder now than before, but it's just everything keep coming back after you think you have seen the back of it. So, just wondering if anyone has encountered the same, or know anyone that has.

Maybe you’ve picked something else up since. A friend of mine who is suffering from long covid gets covid symptoms come flooding back every time they pick up a cold or bug (something that they also seem susceptible to doing since catching covid). She’s convinced every time that she’s got it again but keeps testing negative on LFT and PCR’s. Apparently that is relatively common especially if you have long covid after the initial illness.

Philosoraptor · Jan 14, 2022

This popped up on Twitter.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 14, 2022

Nick said:
Good news!

Sajid Javid to scrap Covid passes within a fortnight

Health Secretary Sajid Javid is said to have concluded that Covid-19 passes for entry to large events and nightclubs in England are no longer needed as the Omicron wave subsides.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It is strange how you hop from being sceptical of anything the government does or says, to embracing it unquestioningly

Nick · Jan 15, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
It is strange how you hop from being sceptical of anything the government does or says, to embracing it unquestioningly

Embracing the end of covid passports? Clearly weren't doing anything with the spread.

If it happens it is good news.

Of course it will be spun to be like they are doing everybody a favour.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 15, 2022

Nick said:
Embracing the end of covid passports? Clearly weren't doing anything with the spread.

If it happens it is good news.

Of course it will be spun to be like they are doing everybody a favour.

Didn't you say before how they were timing announcements to take the spotlight off them in other areas?

Nick · Jan 15, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Didn't you say before how they were timing announcements to take the spotlight off them in other areas?

That's what I mean, it will be spun to make out it's doing a favour.

I wasn't saying omg they are amazing. Just good news if they are scrapped.

SBT · Jan 15, 2022

Nick said:
That's what I mean, it will be spun to make out it's doing a favour.

I wasn't saying omg they are amazing. Just good news if they are scrapped.

Do you think this new isolation announcement is also just a government smokescreen?

Nick · Jan 15, 2022

SBT said:
Do you think this new isolation announcement is also just a government smokescreen?

Of course it will be. I'm not 100% without checking but wasn't the law only temporary anyway? I wouldn't be surprised if it's expiring anyway but it's spun.

It doesn't mean that the actual thing isn't good.

Skybluefaz · Jan 16, 2022

Cases seem to be dropping fast now. Hope this is the beginning of the end of it (relatively speaking).

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2022

Skybluefaz said:
Cases seem to be dropping fast now. Hope this is the beginning of the end of it (relatively speaking).

Yeah, cases dropping, hospitalisations dropping, deaths up but obviously there's a lag so hopefully we start to see them dropping shortly.

CCFCSteve · Jan 16, 2022

Skybluefaz said:
Cases seem to be dropping fast now. Hope this is the beginning of the end of it (relatively speaking).

If it continues thats great news and reassuring that cases appear to have peaked and dropped without the need for lockdowns. Vaccine and natural immunity look to have stemmed the flow of transmission, which is what you’d expect and also why the worst case models just didn’t quite make sense to me

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
If it continues thats great news and reassuring that cases appear to have peaked and dropped without the need for lockdowns. Vaccine and natural immunity look to have stemmed the flow of transmission, which is what you’d expect and also why the worst case models just didn’t quite make sense to me

worse case models are exactly that!
Despite what some are saying there are very little restrictions in place currently, if cases are dropping with hospitality open and sporting and entertainment events going on with nothing more than the requirement for a covid pass then I'm optimistic that we're on the way out of this.

Previous reductions in cases have been brought about by far more stringent measures being in place.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 16, 2022

clint van damme said:
worse case models are exactly that!
Despite what some are saying there are very little restrictions in place currently, if cases are dropping with hospitality open and sporting and entertainment events going on with nothing more than the requirement for a covid pass then I'm optimistic that we're on the way out of this.

Previous reductions in cases have been brought about by far more stringent measures being in place.

I saw a worse case model chart earlier which I thought was pretty damning. You would expect them to over-compensate a bit, but this is just so off the mark.

Link: Sage scenarios vs actual: an update | The Spectator

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I saw a worse case model chart earlier which I thought was pretty damning. You would expect them to over-compensate a bit, but this is just so off the mark.

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Link: Sage scenarios vs actual: an update | The Spectator

started reading, no way I can digest that after the weekend I've had, I'll take your word for it!

CCFCSteve · Jan 16, 2022

clint van damme said:
worse case models are exactly that!
Despite what some are saying there are very little restrictions in place currently, if cases are dropping with hospitality open and sporting and entertainment events going on with nothing more than the requirement for a covid pass then I'm optimistic that we're on the way out of this.

Previous reductions in cases have been brought about by far more stringent measures being in place.

Agreed Clint, that’s why I was saying it’s positive/reassuring that we’ve not had to go down the more severe routes

Regarding the models, the worst case scenarios were almost impossible to reach though….its like saying the best case scenario is there’s only going to be 1000 deaths…maybe possible but never going to happen. There were also models provided using assumptions that appeared to ignore real life data.

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
How’s dad?

?? you've lost me Pete. Are you thinking of Chief Dave, his dad was in hospital?

wingy · Jan 16, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I saw a worse case model chart earlier which I thought was pretty damning. You would expect them to over-compensate a bit, but this is just so off the mark.

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Link: Sage scenarios vs actual: an update | The Spectator

That for hospitisation?
Wasn't the prediction around not yet knowing the true severity of this variant .
And were not infections likely running up to 200k and 500k per day both official measures and assessed ONS figure's?

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