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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,051
clint van damme said:
When that wet lettuce has them laughing at your expense you know you're in trouble.
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It’s like when Martin picks on Bart in the Simpsons.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 12, 2022
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,053
Sick Boy said:
Not sure how ‘Mr Johnson’ is going to be able to survive this.
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No one cares about parties mate
 

Ian1779

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,054
Nick said:
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Bat shit
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,055
Nick said:
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Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
Yet many healthcare workers and community members say the policy is not only ill-advised, it’s potentially dangerous.

“The situation just feels so hopeless,” said Erin McIntosh, a rapid-response nurse at Riverside Community Hospital. “I went into healthcare wanting to help people, but now I’m the vector. Someone is coming to me in their time of need, and I could potentially be passing them COVID."
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The announcement was met with outrage by many in the healthcare industry.

The decision is “irresponsible and a huge mistake that will jeopardize everyone’s health,” said Rosanna Mendez, executive director of SEIU 121RN, a union representing workers in Southern California. “This plan is unscientific and dangerous, and, given what we know about the transmissibility of the new variant, we believe it will put healthcare workers and patients at unnecessary risk.”
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My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,056
chiefdave said:
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.


My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
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Sorry to hear that CD.
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,057
chiefdave said:
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.


My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
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It should be troubling to everyone, if vulnerable patients can't be safe in a hospital where can they, i hope your Dad gets better soon.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,058
chiefdave said:
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.


My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
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Best wishes to your Dad
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,059
Ian1779 said:
Bat shit
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Crazy. I’m all for cutting isolation but only on back of negative testing. What are they thinking ?!

Hope you’re dad improves Dave
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,060
chiefdave said:
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.


My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
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So sorry to hear that
 
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Frostie

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  • Jan 12, 2022
  • #57,061
chiefdave said:
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.


My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
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Sorry to hear that.
Best wishes to you all.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,062
JVT goes off injured in the last minute of extra time.

Was he at a party or just sick of the Conservative party?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,063
chiefdave said:
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.


My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
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Hopefully he will be OK , fingers crossed!
 
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stupot07

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,064
chiefdave said:
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.


My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
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Really sorry to hear that CD. This varient is so transmissible, it was be potentially catastrophic to send in known covid positive health workers to care for already vulnerable and poorly patients.

I really hope he pulls through and has a full recovery.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 
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AOM

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,065
chiefdave said:
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.


My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
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Imagine needing an operation in a hospital that is already high risk and not knowing if your surgeon or nurse could infect you with Covid...

Sorry to hear about your dad chiefdave. Wishing him all the best
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,066
Gove being skewered between either, did you go to these parties? or afraid of being asked the next question if he was unpopular as not to get an invite by an interviewer was excellent to watch.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,067
He gone yet ? Bored of his twatty head now tbh
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,068
Firstly, Fingers crossed for your Dad Chiefdave....Really hope he gets through it all OK.

Regarding the asymptomatic positive healthcare workers gonig in to work.....its not clear cut as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, its very far from ideal, but so is trying to run a healthcare system under immense pressure when many staff are sat at home, feeling A-OK but unable to help.
I mentioned a couple weeks ago that a mate of my Mrs. who works frontline NHS was suggesting the same as they need the staff back as their absence is making the situation more dangerous in many ways....

Defo stuck between a rock & a hard place, but anyone writing it off as crazy doesn't grasp the seriousness of the situation caused by chronic understaffing.


Is the situation ideal? No,” said Dr. Robert-Kim Farley, an epidemiologist and infectious-diseases expert at the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health. “Is it the lesser of the two evils of having no one to care for patients, versus having staff caring for them that may have COVID? Yes, it’s the lesser of two evils.”
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,069
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Firstly, Fingers crossed for your Dad Chiefdave....Really hope he gets through it all OK.

Regarding the asymptomatic positive healthcare workers gonig in to work.....its not clear cut as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, its very far from ideal, but so is trying to run a healthcare system under immense pressure when many staff are sat at home, feeling A-OK but unable to help.
I mentioned a couple weeks ago that a mate of my Mrs. who works frontline NHS was suggesting the same as they need the staff back as their absence is making the situation more dangerous in many ways....

Defo stuck between a rock & a hard place, but anyone writing it off as crazy doesn't grasp the seriousness of the situation caused by chronic understaffing.


Is the situation ideal? No,” said Dr. Robert-Kim Farley, an epidemiologist and infectious-diseases expert at the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health. “Is it the lesser of the two evils of having no one to care for patients, versus having staff caring for them that may have COVID? Yes, it’s the lesser of two evils.”
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Agree the absences may cause more issues than Covid (Omicron) to most patients but there’s an option inbetween that hasn’t been explored yet which is reducing self isolation further but you require two negative tests before release.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,070
CCFCSteve said:
Agree the absences may cause more issues than Covid (Omicron) to most patients but there’s an option inbetween that hasn’t been explored yet which is reducing self isolation further but you require two negative tests before release.
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Of course the whole point in restrictions was to introduce less Covid into the NHS, meaning it functioned better. We seem to have abandoned the NHS just atm...
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,071
CCFCSteve said:
Agree the absences may cause more issues than Covid (Omicron) to most patients but there’s an option inbetween that hasn’t been explored yet which is reducing self isolation further but you require two negative tests before release.
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I'm sure I read that they were planning to reduce to 5 but not seen anything for a few days.

The other thing that's been discussed on here (Maybe @fernandopartridge said it) but about if somebody doesn't have symptoms but are positive they work in certain areas of hospitals.

Obviously don't throw them onto a Ward with seriously ill cancer patients, if there's a basic triage for people testing positive for COVID then maybe a different story.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,072
Haha!!

 
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SBT

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,073
Minimum isolation time lowered to five days as of Monday.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,074
Isolation officially cut to 5 full days in England from Monday now....2 negative tests sets you free!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,075
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,076
Good news about being 5 days. Should help a lot of the staff shortages.

UK used 'propagandistic' tactics to scare public to follow Covid rules

Writing in the magazine Unherd today, behavioural scientist Simon Ruda he said fear was initially used to boost public compliance during the first UK lockdown but had been carried through the crisis.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,077
Nick said:
Good news about being 5 days. Should help a lot of the staff shortages.

UK used 'propagandistic' tactics to scare public to follow Covid rules

Writing in the magazine Unherd today, behavioural scientist Simon Ruda he said fear was initially used to boost public compliance during the first UK lockdown but had been carried through the crisis.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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Don't know who he is , but alot of people have been saying this
 

Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,078
Fear has massively been used
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,079
The RCN has asked to be exempt from the 5 days isolation rule but what do they know, eh?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,080
Sick Boy said:
The RCN has asked to be exempt from the 5 days isolation rule but what do they know, eh?
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In a roundabout way then they must be saying that LFs aren’t accurate enough and/or people can still transmit after testing negative ?!
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,081
CCFCSteve said:
In a roundabout way then they must be saying that LFs aren’t accurate enough and/or people can still transmit after testing negative ?!
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There was a doctor on the news saying if you get a positive LFT its very accurate but a negative LFT is only about 50% accurate. Also mentioned there's a recent study from the US into Omicron which shows you're likely to be infectious longer than with previous variants.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,082
chiefdave said:
There was a doctor on the news saying if you get a positive LFT its very accurate but a negative LFT is only about 50% accurate. Also mentioned there's a recent study from the US into Omicron which shows you're likely to be infectious longer than with previous variants.
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50/50 in hospitals isn’t good. Surely they could suggest hospital workers coming out of isolation need pcr after Day 5
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #57,083
CCFCSteve said:
50/50 in hospitals isn’t good. Surely they could suggest hospital workers coming out of isolation need pcr after Day 5
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Alternatively they could ramp up the PPE
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2022
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CCFCSteve said:
In a roundabout way then they must be saying that LFs aren’t accurate enough and/or people can still transmit after testing negative ?!
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The last point is what the virologist just on the radio said can indeed happen. I couldn't tell you if his was the consensus or not, however.

Edit - although chiefdave's post suggests it is!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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CCFCSteve said:
50/50 in hospitals isn’t good. Surely they could suggest hospital workers coming out of isolation need pcr after Day 5
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Capacity to get results, I'd suppose. PCR results on hospital are still coming back 24 hours later.
 
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