Do you pipe up in the same way when people talk about taking aspirin, or going in for major surgery? You’re arguing semantics - the vaccine is extremely safe. Spreading your anxieties about its safety isn’t helping anyone.
You said its completely safe what's frankly untrue.
We dont routinely take 3 of the same vaccines a year. So I would guess you cant compare apples to oranges.
But we do know some people have had life threatening complications due to the vaccine. So its not completely safe as you said.
It has a very high chance of doing something - immunity from the virus and prevention of nasty symptoms if you do catch it. The issue is that you don’t place much value on what it will (almost certainly) give you. That’s fine, and you’re right to point out that you won’t benefit like others would, but it doesn’t explain why you wouldn’t take the benefit anyway.
Unless there’s some other downside you’re worried about that you haven’t mentioned yet?
They’re about 0.50cent over hereIf that’s the case then they should be free, really don’t get why if it’s a cornerstone of strategy they aren’t universally available
Do you pipe up in the same way when people talk about taking aspirin, or going in for major surgery? You’re arguing semantics - the vaccine is extremely safe. Spreading your anxieties about its safety isn’t helping anyone.
Spreading your anxieties about its safety isn’t helping anyone.
They’re about 0.50cent over here
It obviously doesn't give a high chance of immunity though, does it? If anything even on here there are people get their booster and then end up with COVID the next week (a fair few of my mates too).
Yep it might take the risk of being hospitalised from it down and death but if those chances are already very small anyway.
So if I get the booster today, it turns out Omicron is just mild and dies out a bit. Shall I then run to get the 4th as well in February? Then the 5th? Then the 6th?
This my point, people are happy to shout about some people being unvaccinated or boosted (I say some because obviously it makes more of an impact for some than others) and how selfish they are. Yet if you then turn it to somebody who is massively obese who is much more likely to be at risk, people don't want to know.
I'm not saying on here as I have no idea who's who but there is some irony in really obese people shouting about others (who potentially don't need it themselves) being selfish for not getting the vaccine.
People are allowed to question if any drug is full safe.
You dont know my vaccine status or what side effects I might have had. So maybe you should ask yourself are people allowed different views from you.
Omicron has certainly hurt the immunity part of the equation, yes, but the vaccines (and especially the booster) have done an incredible job of preventing bad symptoms, which is huge.
Should you run to get the 3rd, 4th, 5th booster shot? Well you tell me! If it’s safe to do so and it offers you a benefit (both medical and otherwise), is there a compelling reason not to? That’s what I’m getting at - your list of pros and cons doesn’t fully make sense to me, because “I only get a small benefit and other people might need it more” belongs in the pro column rather than the cons!
I’m curious to hear what outweighs the upside for you - for other people it seems to be worries about the safety of the vaccine, is that the case for you?
They most certainly are. There is a long and deadly history of people campaigning against new vaccines, since the days of Edward Jenner. I’m grateful for the work of regulators in deciding which drugs are safe for mass consumption, regardless of InternetUser210’s dictionary definition of “completely safe”.
I haven't ruled it out, I have said I will wait and see. If Omicron kills everything out I won't need one then will I? People rushed out to get it before Christmas and spent their Christmas Day isolating.
Omicron was known to not have bad symptoms before the mass booster rollout.
So it's gone from (not you personally) that you will be immune and will stop you from transmitting it if you're vaccinated. It's now "Yeah but it will stop you from getting bad symptoms". Right now, the main variant doesn't have really bad symptoms anyway.
There's also been many drugs that have been released and approved that have then been removed and had giant lawsuits. Due to safety concerns.
including Pfizer, Takeda Pharmaceutical , Johnson & Johnson and many others
Like I said you definition of completely safe appeared to miss out any risk.
There's the added bonus that it does indeed suppress transmission, as it increases your chances of not catching Covid, thus protecting more vulnerable people and meaning more resources are available to treat cancer etc. More resources available for mental health too, and less chance of drastic measures needing to be implemented to restrict spread.I mean, as far as you’re concerned, there’s a decent chance you’ll be right and you’ll be fine either way. But why leave it to chance if you have an easy and effective way to improve your odds? Basic probability if nothing else would suggest it’s a good idea. It costs you nothing and there is only upside - unless you believe differently?
The evolving science has never bothered me - when it comes to my health I’d always rather hear the latest expert advice rather than have someone stick to the first thing I was told no matter what. Maybe that’s just me.
There's the added bonus that it does indeed suppress transmission, as it increases your chances of not catching Covid
Worth pointing out that yellow card is self reporting so wise to not take all reported side effects as fact. There's people who have reported on the yellow card system that they have become pregnant as a result of having the vaccineIts not my anxieties I have posted the yellow card information for reported side effects. that is the facts.
Worth pointing out that yellow card is self reporting so wise to not take all reported side effects as fact. There's people who have reported on the yellow card system that they have become pregnant as a result of having the vaccine
Worth pointing out that yellow card is self reporting so wise to not take all reported side effects as fact. There's people who have reported on the yellow card system that they have become pregnant as a result of having the vaccine
But, they didn't say completely safe, they said completely safe by any statistical measure. It's fair to say that risks from vaccine are vastly lower than risks from Covid. That is not up for debate. We should consider ourselves very lucky that we happen to be in a wealthy enough country that can afford to give us that protection. Not taking it won't, however, mean that that particular dose will somehow find itself to Central Africa. So, the wise thing to do is to take the vaccine, campaign for world coverage.Well as I said, it’s responsible to take the vaccine for the sake of other people, but we can put that to one side, I’m talking solely about its impact on you.
The vaccine’s benefit to you may be small, but it’s a benefit nonetheless. It’s free, easily available, and completely safe, by any statistical measure. Never mind whether the benefits are huge or life-changing - what’s the downside of getting that benefit anyway?
You think the Covid vaccine is one of those then? Fun!
It's also used by doctors who are suppose to use it.
Dint say that did I. We dont have the data to say it is or isn't until the FDA release the documents they have been told to release.
But then again what do I know, It's not like a family member used to be a Scientist at a large British drug maker in the new drug development
More evidence that scientific knowledge isn’t hereditary then.
I had popping popcorn sounds in my ears for about 4 weeks after my second Astra Zenica vaccine. Was a really rare side effect apparently so I’m not surprised that there’s thousands.Have you had the vaccine in the UK? Everyone who gets it is encouraged to report any side effects to the Yellow Card database. Forgive me for not being stunned that there have been several thousand side effects reported for a vaccine that’s been given to almost every man, woman and child in the country - I myself had a sore arm a couple of times. Call the witch doctor.
Yet I have a science based education.
I see when all things fail you just try and insult.
Harvard or Cambridge?
And dodging questions
Dodging questions? You are the one that has posted three untruths on here in a matter of weeks.
I have made my point regarding the virus and the vaccine. At this stage if anyone cannot digest that and accept it then there really is no value in repeating myself.
What are the 3 untruths?
the questions were
what is your background in science
have you been fully jabbed
Can you answer?
COVID has been going on for 2 years now. Hospitalisations could have been cut even before the vaccine came out.
So it goes back to the point about "is it really needed to throw 4 jabs into somebody otherwise perfectly young and healthy?".
Tracy, 57, 40 stone who smokes and drinks all day. Of course she will need it.
My issue has been "Do I really need 4 jabs and then one more every couple of months?" rather than "Does anybody need 4 jabs?"
We absolutely should be promoting a healthy lifestyle and helping people achieve that. If you look at pretty much any report on long term health poverty is a huge factor.We don't seem to be learning anything from this pandemic in terms of boosting natural health and immunity, it's all about the drugs. Loved the video that Nick posted promoting what you can do to help yourself but it barely got a reaction here and whenever obesity is mentioned it often gets glossed over, I suspect because it's a topic that people don't want to look in the mirror and face.
As the last specialist I saw put it, if you're telling all patients 'eat less, move more' and for well over 95% of them that doesn't work maybe we need to consider the advice is wrong, 'if you trialled a cancer treatment and it did nothing for over 95% of patients it wouldn't get past the first stage'. Unfortunately for an issue that impacts so many people there is actually relatively little work done on finding better treatments.Exercise for losing weight is a complete myth anyway. It works in the very short term and exercising does have many health benefits, but losing weight is not one of them. It is all about what you eat (and when you eat). If you're doing that right and still not losing weight then your body is missing something e.g, Iodine deficiency is a massive factor in the ability to lose weight and WHO estimates around 2 billion people are.
Completely agree. The support and treatment if you're actually seriously trying to lose weight is appallingly bad, its basically non-existent.Obesity is a ticking time bomb though and will wreak havoc soon, it will absolutely decimate the NHS. Its something we've known for years that obesity not only effects quality of life short term, but has a detrimental effect long term with things like diabetes and cancers.
Not going to be necessary once all the unvaccinated have been rounded up and bundled into vans.Are Vaccine Passports a temporary measure that will be scrapped once it's over?
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