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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,456
Nick said:
It's very sad that people are quite happy to see loads of businesses and people die around them because of their obsession with COVID.

The NHS is currently getting hammered by staff absence, it isn't the only one either.
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I am not happy to see businesses and people die. In fact the very opposite.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,457
Nick said:
It's very sad that people are quite happy to see loads of businesses and people die around them because of their obsession with COVID.

The NHS is currently getting hammered by staff absence, it isn't the only one either.
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Fuck me, the irony of you saying people are happy to see people die!
I'm surprised you've got the brass neck to post it!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,458
Deleted member 9744 said:
Well there's the answer. Government support.
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The government also sets the isolation rules. Sorry but if being fully vaccinated isn’t enough then what’s the point in us having given out 100 million jabs?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,459
clint van damme said:
Fuck me, the irony of you saying people are happy to see people die!
I'm surprised you've got the brass neck to post it!
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Death was a thing before COVID. It is never, ever going to be stopped is it? The same with illness.

I'm not happy to see anybody die, you have to look at it realistically though sometimes.

You genuinely can't see the issues caused by isolation compared to the actual illness.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,460
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...well, actually its NO.

Viral load & shedding are lower in asymptomatic cases & viral clearance is a lot quicker....... so NO is the correct answer. HTH.
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Well actually yes. By the simple point you’re more likely to be unaware that you have the virus if you’ve asymptotic so therefore more likely to be mixing unaware that you are potentially spreading the virus. What you say is correct on face value but ignores the fact that people with symptoms are less likely to come into contact with people in the first place.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,461
skybluetony176 said:
Well actually yes. By the simple point you’re more likely to be unaware that you have the virus if you’ve asymptotic so therefore more likely to be mixing unaware that you are potentially spreading the virus. What you say is correct on face value but ignores the fact that people with symptoms are less likely to come into contact with people in the first place.
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But even symptomatic you enter your most contagious phase 2 days before you show symptoms and a LFT will come back negative. If you've been mixing anyway at that point the horse has already bolted.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,462
Nick said:
Death was a thing before COVID. It is never, ever going to be stopped is it?

I'm not happy to see anybody die, you have to look at it realistically though sometimes.
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Well stop making silly statements about others then. No one is happy to see people die or suffer.
 

ajsccfc

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,463
If you're asympomatic and pass it on, is that because you've got a weaker version of it that will most likely see the next person asymptomatic or is it just down to pot luck and/or each person's immune system?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,464
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We currently have 2 deaths per million people.
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Keep seeing this mentioned on here but can't find any source for it when I google. Where has it come from?

That would equate to what, 130 deaths in total if the whole population of the UK got covid yet there's already been 317 deaths reported this year.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,465
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The government also sets the isolation rules. Sorry but if being fully vaccinated isn’t enough then what’s the point in us having given out 100 million jabs?
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Because it isn't that simple. Vaccination is probably the most important thing but clearly it doesn't totally stop the spread of the virus. So other measures are necessary at times.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,466
clint van damme said:
Well stop making silly statements about others then. No one is happy to see people die or suffer.
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No but they seem to forget that people die other than COVID.

There's a point where it will just need to be accepted that it happens, sad as it is.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,467
Nick said:
It's very sad that people are quite happy to see loads of businesses and people die around them because of their obsession with COVID.

The NHS is currently getting hammered by staff absence, it isn't the only one either.
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Nice to see you suddenly worried about NHS staff welfare after you spent 2020 slagging them off for protesting a pay freeze!
 

Nick

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,468
SBT said:
Nice to see you suddenly worried about NHS staff welfare after you spent 2020 slagging them off for protesting a pay freeze!
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I said the NHS, didn't I? Isn't that what we are all meant to be protecting? At least they will be on full pay while they isolate.

You will also find most of what I slagged off was people pointlessly clapping
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,469
Nick said:
I said the NHS, didn't I? Isn't that what we are all meant to be protecting? At least they will be on full pay while they isolate.

You will also find most of what I slagged off was people pointlessly clapping
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No, you started a thread specifically arguing that they shouldn’t complain about a pay freeze: Pay Freeze for Public Workers

But tell us more about how you’re worried for their well-being
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,470
Deleted member 9744 said:
Well we need to stop hospitals being super spreaders. People are generally sick when they go to hospital so they need to be protected.
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My Dad is in the at risk category and has followed all the government advise which essentially means he hasn't left the house since this whole thing started. He got taken into hospital Christmas Day and now has covid.

As the doctor put it to me there is not a single patient in hospital who is not at more risk if they contract covid and whose treatment doesn't become more complicated if they have covid. He also pointed out the more patients they have with covid the less patients overall they can treat as they simply don't have the facilities to isolate a large number of people while continuing treatment.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,471
SBT said:
No, you started a thread specifically arguing that they shouldn’t complain about a pay freeze: Pay Freeze for Public Workers

But tell us more about how you’re worried for their well-being
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I said the issue caused to the NHS. I didn't say anything about personal welfare for NHS staff in the last day or so did I?

You're so desperate to go back and find things
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,472
Liquid Gold said:
But even symptomatic you enter your most contagious phase 2 days before you show symptoms and a LFT will come back negative. If you've been mixing anyway at that point the horse has already bolted.
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Most contagious just means the point you’re most at risk of passing it on not that you’re no longer capable of passing it on.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,473
skybluetony176 said:
Most contagious just means the point you’re most at risk of passing it on not that you’re no longer capable of passing it on.
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Yeah, that's his point.
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,474
Just seen ministers are finalising plans to end mandatory PCR tests following LFTs

In other news, Robinsons have reported all time high sales of blackcurrent Fruit Shoots
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,475
Deleted member 9744 said:
Because it isn't that simple. Vaccination is probably the most important thing but clearly it doesn't totally stop the spread of the virus. So other measures are necessary at times.
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Are you advocating a zero Covid strategy?
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,476
Deleted member 9744 said:
Well there's the answer. Government support.
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In fairness it’s not for some SME’s who have contracts and customers to serve. If staff are off the government can’t build a backlog of work - the government can’t stop the end user getting business from elsewhere
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,477
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Are you advocating a zero Covid strategy?
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No.

Are you advocating we should let it rip? Including in hospitals?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,478
Deleted member 9744 said:
No.

Are you advocating we should let it rip? Including in hospitals?
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I support tighter measures in hospitals. It is however already letting rip-if north of 200,000 daily cases isn’t that then I don’t know what is.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,479
If there is one thing the majority of us can probably agree on, that is that most people that are going to have the jab have already had it.

With the goalposts moving in regards to what boosters are going to count as someone qualifying as fully vaccinated, we need to be realistic about the next steps.

Also, some genuinely good debate on here today. I am impressed.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,480
Ccfcisparks said:
Where do you live Earlsdon
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Amsterdam.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,481
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Amsterdam.
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I worked at the Hill Street Blues coffee shop for about 3 weeks in 1994.....what a place! .....I got paid about 30 guilders a day plus as much free weed & hot-chocolate as I could handle.....marvellous

Went back many times since......the last time I was in that place was for 2006 world cup but I've just googled & its still there & still looks sound as a pound.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,482
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If there is one thing the majority of us can probably agree on, that is that most people that are going to have the jab have already had it.
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What makes you say that? There are still plenty of policy levers to pull around the world and they’re having a positive impact on the number of people getting vaccinated, including the most vulnerable. For example, this chart of vaccinations for the over-70s in Hong Kong - see if you can spot when the new vaccine requirements came in!

 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,483
I think a couple of points are being missed or mis-interpreted. Omicron being milder doesn't mean its 'like the flu' or people don't end up in hospital and dying. Its the smaller percentage of a bigger number issue again.

Omicron hospitalisations are said to be about a third of Delta according to the latest reports I can find. But the rate of infection is so much higher that is offset. This is where the R number comes into play. If you read up on that you will see that even very small changes to the R have a large impact. It therefore follows that if you can make a reduction to the R, no matter how small, it will within a couple of weeks have a significant impact. Scrap isolation and the R rate will undoubtedly go up and we could quickly be in trouble.

As ever there's no quick fix, you can't change one thing and solve the problem. The NHS is, at least in part, struggling due to years of underfunding. How is a service that is termed as in crisis every single winter supposed to cope with the slightest thing that increases demand? For years its been promises of new hospitals, more beds, more nurses, more GPs but here we are with thousands of unfilled vacancies.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2022
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Amsterdam.
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Went there in 2019, ridiculously expensive I found
 
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xcraigx

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,485
chiefdave said:
Keep seeing this mentioned on here but can't find any source for it when I google. Where has it come from?

That would equate to what, 130 deaths in total if the whole population of the UK got covid yet there's already been 317 deaths reported this year.
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It is a daily average so 2 per million per day is around 140 deaths a day.
 
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jordan210

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  • Jan 5, 2022
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,487
xcraigx said:
It is a daily average so 2 per million per day is around 140 deaths a day.
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Which would be over 50K a year. So if we're having that debate the first thing to establish is how much that number would go up if we remove all restrictions as it seems when people say living with it they don't actually mean living with it they mean going back to exactly how things were pre-covid.

Once we have some idea of that figure we're then in a position to have a debate around how acceptable that number is and what needs to be in place to have the capacity in the NHS to deal with that annually.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,488
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Went there in 2019, ridiculously expensive I found
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I guess it depends which lady/ladies you pick BSB
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,489
CCFCSteve said:
I guess it depends which lady/ladies you pick BSB
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I found bitterballen to be quite different to what I was told
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 5, 2022
  • #56,490
SBT said:
Nice to see you suddenly worried about NHS staff welfare after you spent 2020 slagging them off for protesting a pay freeze!
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And worth recalling Nick complaining about the pointlessness of the politics debates on here
 
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