Skybluefaz
Well-Known Member
I'm really confused about where we are with all this right now.
If this pandemic goes on much longer then I will be on the smack.
I think there’s a conversation to be had for asymptomatic infection and transmission. I don’t know if there’s a different answer but I’d like to see some arguments. Omicron seems to come on quicker and pass quicker. Where’s the models? Even if Boris and the boys said it this is the chosen policy.I totally disagree. If you test positive you should be isolating in my view.
You're obviously another one advocating let rip.
I'm actually astonished by the lack of empathy by some on this forum.
You're in lock down aren't you? Not sure I could do another one, especially a winter one.
Where do you live EarlsdonYeah, that's right. The first restrictions came in about two months ago, but we have been under full lockdown for about a month now. Not even my football team is training.
It's definitely been the hardest one, and probably contributes to me having a different view to some on here. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
Is Covid as transmissible in asymptomatic people as symptomatic?
Kier Starmer has tested positive again. He must be on some sort of record for the amount of time he has tested positive
I totally disagree. If you test positive you should be isolating in my view.
You're obviously another one advocating let rip.
I'm actually astonished by the lack of empathy by some on this forum.
I have total empathy for those people and that is why we need to do all we can to reduce the incidence of the virus. The last thing sick people who go into hospital need is to catch covid from the people who are treating them. The NHS will not be able to effectively tackle the backlog of people waiting for operations and the like until the population as a whole do the right thing and act in a responsible manner to reduce the virus. And that means taking the vaccine, wearing masks where appropriate and isolating when you test positive. It's as simple as that.Where's the empathy for the the folks who've had their surgery or screening or scans cancelled again cos 15% of nhs staff are sat at home?
Where's the empathy for the small business who's been swimming against the tide for 2 years and now is suffering further due to this addiction to asymptomatic testing forcing staff to sit on their arse at home while the business goes down the shitter?
Where's the empathy for those waiting even longer for a social care visit or for a police officer to attend or for an ambulance?
I know someone who had a 41 hour wait in A&E over new year while they tried to find some staff who could help section her brother!
At this point, Lack of staff in work is a bigger threat to people's health, wealth and wellbeing than the now dominant, far milder Omicron strain that is already so endemic in the population.
I have total empathy for those people and that is why we need to do all we can to reduce the incidence of the virus. The last thing sick people who go into hospital need is to catch covid from the people who are treating them. The NHS will not be able to effectively tackle the backlog of people waiting for operations and the like until the population as a whole do the right thing and act in a responsible manner to reduce the virus. And that means taking the vaccine, wearing masks where appropriate and isolating when you test positive. It's as simple as that.
And as for businesses the same considerations apply. Most will only really be able to prosper once the virus is under control. So the longer people go around mixing without the vaccine and even when positive the longer it will take to get back to normal.
You have done part of your bit. Well done for having had the vaccine, but I am sorry no it doesn't end there. I wish it was the case as much as you do. If you are supposed to isolate do so because you can still transmit the virus and if people don't isolate in such circumstances this will just gone on.Except we can’t force the vaccine onto people and if we even just implement vaccine passports there will be comparisons to fascism. I have done my bit and got 3 jabs in a year but because some twat believes TikTok science and doesn’t want one then I have to stay at home even when I’m not ill?
You have done part of your bit. Well done for having had the vaccine, but I am sorry no it doesn't end there. I wish it was the case as much as you do. If you are supposed to isolate do so because you can still transmit the virus and if people don't isolate in such circumstances this will just gone on.
I have total empathy for those people and that is why we need to do all we can to reduce the incidence of the virus. The last thing sick people who go into hospital need is to catch covid from the people who are treating them. The NHS will not be able to effectively tackle the backlog of people waiting for operations and the like until the population as a whole do the right thing and act in a responsible manner to reduce the virus. And that means taking the vaccine, wearing masks where appropriate and isolating when you test positive. It's as simple as that.
And as for businesses the same considerations apply. Most will only really be able to prosper once the virus is under control. So the longer people go around mixing without the vaccine and even when positive the longer it will take to get back to normal.
Not true at all, I decided to spend Christmas alone because I saw that it would be a mass infection event. It is already ripping through the population and especially in schools where the effect on children is the least I don’t see why we’re making them stay home if they aren’t ill.
Again, we are at 2 deaths per million people.
I have total empathy for those people and that is why we need to do all we can to reduce the incidence of the virus. The last thing sick people who go into hospital need is to catch covid from the people who are treating them. The NHS will not be able to effectively tackle the backlog of people waiting for operations and the like until the population as a whole do the right thing and act in a responsible manner to reduce the virus. And that means taking the vaccine, wearing masks where appropriate and isolating when you test positive. It's as simple as that.
And as for businesses the same considerations apply. Most will only really be able to prosper once the virus is under control. So the longer people go around mixing without the vaccine and even when positive the longer it will take to get back to normal.
Well we need to stop hospitals being super spreaders. People are generally sick when they go to hospital so they need to be protected.Hospitals are already super-spreaders.....always have been. Approximately 30-40% of covid cases in hospital are either incidental or were contracted in hospital.
The NHS is already "not effectively tackling" both covid & non-covid cases due to the amount of staff off isolating.
Many small businesses won't be able to "prosper when its under control" because they'll already be dead.
The idea of limiting the spread of this mild strain NOW is pointless.....its already rife, endemic....that horse has well & truly bolted.. omicron appears to be the exit wave....yet we're fucking ourselves for 2 deaths per million.
I've said I have Total sympathy for the issues surrounding schools. Both in terms of the effect its having on children and the difficulties it causes parents.
Though still worth noting there are 70k children with long covid so it's not totally harmless to children.
Well we need to stop hospitals being super spreaders. People are generally sick when they go to hospital so they need to be protected.
No the NHS is not effectively tackling things at the moment. That is because of decades of underfunding and people not taking covid seriously.
On businesses you are right some will die because of the restrictions. That is very sad but the solution is to tackle covid properly.
On the numbers we don't yet know what the impact of this rate of infections will be on serious illness and death rates.
I know it appears crass to be comparing to flu after what we've been through in the last two years but it appears this variant is no more deadly than a flu so should be treated as such.
Flu is not a coronavirus it is an influenza virusColds and flu are types of coronavirus so it’s not really incredible is it.
Of course there is a spread of the virus in hospitals. That is what we needs to stop. That is why the Royal Free Hospital has just limited visitors for example.The NHS can't tackle anything when they have staff at home with nothing wrong with them.
Do you really think there is no spread of Omicron in hospitals or people getting there?
Omicron isn't the old variant.
That post is like something Boris would say in a press conference. "Boost, isolate, wear masks and save the UK"
Where did I say that? I am saying they will have lost their business because people did not take action to prevent the virus spreading and getting out of control.Tell that to someone who’s lost their business that it was for the greater good. Genuinely
Well we need to stop hospitals being super spreaders. People are generally sick when they go to hospital so they need to be protected.
No the NHS is not effectively tackling things at the moment. That is because of decades of underfunding and people not taking covid seriously.
On businesses you are right some will die because of the restrictions. That is very sad but the solution is to tackle covid properly.
On the numbers we don't yet know what the impact of this rate of infections will be on serious illness and death rates.
Of course there is a spread of the virus in hospitals. That is what we needs to stop. That is why the Royal Free Hospital has just limited visitors for example.
Where did I say that? I am saying they will have lost their business because people did not take action to prevent the virus spreading and getting out of control.
Where did I say that? I am saying they will have lost their business because people did not take action to prevent the virus spreading and getting out of control.
How many times has the NHS failed to stop norovirus spreading around hospitals. How are you going to stop a virus spreading around a hospital ?
If you tell all the staff to say at home, you can't admit anybody. Nobody in hospital gets it
Where did I say that? I am saying they will have lost their business because people did not take action to prevent the virus spreading and getting out of control.
I am speechless. You clearly have no idea how much resource hospitals put into doing exactly that. Otherwise hospitals would be very unsafe.How many times has the NHS failed to stop norovirus spreading around hospitals. How are you going to stop a virus spreading around a hospital ?
Well there's the answer. Government support.That still offers little consolation to the people affected when the government fails to compensate them for forced staff isolation and loss of trade.
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