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shmmeee

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,316
Can’t lorry driver isolate in their cab?
 

covmark

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,317
shmmeee said:
Can’t lorry driver isolate in their cab?
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No

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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,318
I liked the 'we've provided 2500 NHS virtual beds' your bed is now probably classed as a new hospital.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,319
That was shit wasn’t it? Where’s the solutions? Really expected something on isolation periods. Oh well
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,320
Sky Blue Pete said:
That was shit wasn’t it? Where’s the solutions? Really expected something on isolation periods. Oh well
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Just slyly causing more issues.

Not too sure what the point of it was.
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,321
Skybluefaz said:
Just a couple of normal blokes.

Igor Bogdanoff: 80s French TV star dies 'from COVID' days after twin brother Grichka

The television presenter, known for his eccentric personality and appearance, died six days after his brother. Neither man was vaccinated against COVID, according to local reports.
news.sky.com
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Imagine doing that to your face and then being concerned about what's in a vaccine
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,322
Nick said:
Just slyly causing more issues.

Not too sure what the point of it was.
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No point at all as I can tell
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,323
ajsccfc said:
Imagine doing that to your face and then being concerned about what's in a vaccine
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Same as that ex nurse who keeps turning up at fruit loop demonstrations. Getting up on stage with a face full of Botox telling people not to take the vaccine because it’s poisonous. And then people take her seriously.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,324
Nick said:
It only says certain critical industries so it's pretty vague so far.

If it's a small transport company it could send them bust.

Seems like it's purposely trying to cause mayhem.
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Why would they purposely want to cause mayhem?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,325
Sick Boy said:
Why would they purposely want to cause mayhem?
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Why would they want to make even more people isolate when there's probably nothing wrong with them?

My daughter had it, a headache for 2 days that a paracetamol sorted. If it was term time she be would have been off for a week.

It's madness. Especially just after the "fuel shortage" when there wasn't enough drivers.

What will it actually achieve?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,326
Nick said:
Why would they want to make even more people isolate when there's probably nothing wrong with them?

My daughter had it, a headache for 2 days that a paracetamol sorted. If it was term time she be would have been off for a week.

It's madness. Especially just after the "fuel shortage" when there wasn't enough drivers.

What will it actually achieve?
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So what’s their end game with the mayhem?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,327
Nick said:
Why would they want to make even more people isolate when there's probably nothing wrong with them?

My daughter had it, a headache for 2 days that a paracetamol sorted. If it was term time she be would have been off for a week.

It's madness. Especially just after the "fuel shortage" when there wasn't enough drivers.

What will it actually achieve?
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Look at what they’re recommending schools do just to keep the current isolation rules going. Merging classes, everyone wear a mask all the time, get retired teachers back, stop teaching classes with fewer students so their teachers can cover the bigger ones, it’s madness.

We’re over 200,000 infections a day, in reality many more. The horse bolted so long ago it’s died of loneliness
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,328
Nick said:
Fucking hell old Boris can't speak properly. Stuttering line a good un.
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He's always hopeless at talking. I don't know where this idea that he is a great speaker comes from.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,329
Sick Boy said:
So what’s their end game with the mayhem?
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No Idea...

Unless they are just that inept they don't realise more people are going to isolate so things will grind to a halt even more?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,330
Sky Blue Pete said:
That was shit wasn’t it? Where’s the solutions? Really expected something on isolation periods. Oh well
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Yeah, I was hoping for reduction from 7 to 5 days but read yesterday that something like 30% infections could still take place post 5 days (not sure what that reduces to if person is taking LFs on 5,6,7) ). I’d still bring reduction in for NHS at least
 
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We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,331
I’m happy with the 7 days.
I started to feel rough Sunday, negative lateral flow both Sunday and Monday but positive today. With the 7 day rule I can be back out on Sunday if I test negative Friday and Saturday. That’s only a few days after my lateral flow and what will be 3 days after the pcr that I’m having tomorrow.
To be honest it all seems a bit too soon to go back into the wild.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,332
Rich said:
I’m happy with the 7 days.
I started to feel rough Sunday, negative lateral flow both Sunday and Monday but positive today. With the 7 day rule I can be back out on Sunday if I test negative Friday and Saturday. That’s only a few days after my lateral flow and what will be 3 days after the pcr that I’m having tomorrow.
To be honest it all seems a bit too soon to go back into the wild.
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Yeah, the proposed reduction would only be for those without symptoms and testing negative for two days before release. 7 days might well be correct but if there’s severe shortages in the NHS and let’s be honest they’re more likely to do their LFs properly to reduce risk of false negatives, I’d have no issue with them having their isolation reduced
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,333
I don't think the 7 day isolation is the problem, it's the over testing. I know some won't agree with that but the NHS website still states only get a PCR test if you have the traditional covid symptoms or a positive LFT

The data is there to show that Omicron is mild. We have to accept now that if you're feeling well enough to work you shouldn't be isolating. Its not like the Delta variant where people were bed ridden for days and the deaths were high compared to the cases

Almost this time last year there were 1000+ deaths a day with ICU beds full to the brim. We are now seeing 100+ deaths a day and ICU beds around a third (possibly a half) of last year. That is fantastic progress

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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,334
skyblue1991 said:
I don't think the 7 day isolation is the problem, it's the over testing. I know some won't agree with that but the NHS website still states only get a PCR test if you have the traditional covid symptoms or a positive LFT

The data is there to show that Omicron is mild. We have to accept now that if you're feeling well enough to work you shouldn't be isolating. Its not like the Delta variant where people were bed ridden for days and the deaths were high compared to the cases

Almost this time last year there were 1000+ deaths a day with ICU beds full to the brim. We are now seeing 100+ deaths a day and ICU beds around a third (possibly a half) of last year. That is fantastic progress

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Yeah the actual illness is mild. We are causing more issues with the isolation and testing.

At what point do we just let people get it?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,335
Nick said:
Yeah the actual illness is mild. We are causing more issues with the isolation and testing.

At what point do we just let people get it?
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Where do you get 'the illness is mild' from?
It's simply not true for everyone.
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,336
Nick said:
Yeah the actual illness is mild. We are causing more issues with the isolation and testing.

At what point do we just let people get it?
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Absolutely, it seems worse compared to last year

If we haven't lifted current restrictions by the end of February as we enter into Spring it would be disappointing. We then just need to boost the vunerable around winter like we do with the flu and hopefully we won't see another panic like we did over Xmas

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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,337
clint van damme said:
Where do you get 'the illness is mild' from?
It's simply not true for everyone.
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Lots of mild illnesses aren't mild for some people.

The psychological side of it will still make it much worse as well.

All of the damage is being done by the over testing and isolation.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,338
skyblue1991 said:
I don't think the 7 day isolation is the problem, it's the over testing. I know some won't agree with that but the NHS website still states only get a PCR test if you have the traditional covid symptoms or a positive LFT

The data is there to show that Omicron is mild. We have to accept now that if you're feeling well enough to work you shouldn't be isolating. Its not like the Delta variant where people were bed ridden for days and the deaths were high compared to the cases

Almost this time last year there were 1000+ deaths a day with ICU beds full to the brim. We are now seeing 100+ deaths a day and ICU beds around a third (possibly a half) of last year. That is fantastic progress

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your first paragraph seems a contradiction, if people take an LFT and are negative then surely they just crack on with things? Why is that a problem?
You only isolate if you get a positive LFT which you then follow it up with a PCR. Surely that makes sense if we want to get things back to normal but want to minimise the spread of the virus?

You're also pushing this line that the virus is milder, which may be true in more cases but not all cases, I know 9 people who've had covid since Christmas, 3 have been very ill, one of whom ended up in hospital. 2 in their 30s and one in their 50s, none with underlying health conditions or over weight.
That's not a virus that we should be complacent about in my book. I've never known another illness that has had that level of severity in such a short space of time among people I know.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,339
Nick said:
Lots of mild illnesses aren't mild for some people.

The psychological side of it will still make it much worse as well.

All of the damage is being done by the over testing and isolation.
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you're talking nonsense in all honesty Nick.
People don't think themselves into hospital because they got a positive test.
I would have called an ambulance for my wife on Sunday, she wouldn't have it and she was right to be fair but that's how bad she was, that wasn't psychological. It's a dangerous line you're peddling.

Yes, two of my friends who are married have had it and they had it last year and they said this time was a walk in the park but that's clearly not the case for everyone.
The lad I know who went to hospital is as fit a butchers dog and in his 30s, do you think he somehow tricked himself into the back of an ambulance, it's utter nonsense.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,340
clint van damme said:
you're talking nonsense in all honesty Nick.
People don't think themselves into hospital because they got a positive test.
I would have called an ambulance for my wife on Sunday, she wouldn't have it and she was right to be fair but that's how bad she was, that wasn't psychological. It's a dangerous line you're peddling.

Yes, two of my friends who are married have had it and they had it last year and they said this time was a walk in the park but that's clearly not the case for everyone.
The lad I know who went to hospital is as fit a butchers dog and in his 30s, do you think he somehow tricked himself into the back of an ambulance, it's utter nonsense.
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I haven't said everybody, have I? I've said it will make things worse.

Let's not pretend it doesn't make people more anxious because it's covid they have and not a cold.

Would you have wanted to call an ambulance for your wife just suffered from a bad cold or dose of flu or more inclined because it's covid? Hopefully she's ok now though?

Of course people will be poorly, there's no getting away from it. We will all get it at various points.

The death rate is 2 from a million people. Of course it's bad that anybody is dying but then trying to make the country grind to a halt?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,341
Nick said:
I haven't said everybody, have I?

Let's not pretend it doesn't make people more anxious because it's covid they have and not a cold.

Would you have wanted to call an ambulance of your wife just suffered from a bad cold or dose of flu or more inclined because it's covid?

Hopefully she's ok now though!
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if she couldn't breathe properly then yes I would have called an ambulance, but I've seen her with endless colds and flus and that's never happened but it happened with covid.

And it makes more people anxious because it's been responsible for tens of thousands of deaths.

I really don't understand your position, you don't want another lockdown which I don't either, but you also keep criticising the testing regime, the only conclusion from that is you want us to act like it's not here, which is totally irresponsible.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,342
Just had my booster
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,343
Ccfcisparks said:
Just had my booster
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they still jabbing this late into the evening?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,344
clint van damme said:
if she couldn't breathe properly then yes I would have called an ambulance, but I've seen her with endless colds and flus and that's never happened but it happened with covid.

And it makes more people anxious because it's been responsible for tens of thousands of deaths.

I really don't understand your position, you don't want another lockdown which I don't either, but you also keep criticising the testing regime, the only conclusion from that is you want us to act like it's not here, which is totally irresponsible.
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What benefit is testing somebody with no symptoms every day? Then forcing people who aren't poorly to be at home?

What benefit is making a kid stay at home for a week when there's nothing wrong with them? This then means somebody has to look after them and stay off work too.

Of course it will be here still, it's not going to go away any time soon and at what point do we say just carry on as best we can? I said it weeks ago, it won't be the actual illness causing issues but the isolation nonsense.

It makes people anxious because they get told multiple times a day about all the people who dying with it. So that's why they worry more than if it was a cold or flu.

Is this going to be the norm every winter?
 

We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,345
Nick said:
Yeah the actual illness is mild. We are causing more issues with the isolation and testing.

At what point do we just let people get it?
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If everyone is only affected mildly like me at the moment then, yeah let everyone get it. I’ve had worse colds however I’m only a couple of days in and I am crapping myself that it’ll get worse.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,346
Rich said:
If everyone is only affected mildly like me at the moment then, yeah let everyone get it. I’ve had worse colds however I’m only a couple of days in and I am crapping myself that it’ll get worse.
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And that's part of my point about the anxiety and worry because it's called covid and not the flu or a cold.

Of course some people will be seriously affected, it seems the vast majority aren't now Omicron is taking over.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,347
clint van damme said:
they still jabbing this late into the evening?
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9pm mine was. Last of the day. This was in the Black Country though
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,348
Nick said:
What benefit is testing somebody with no symptoms every day? Then forcing people who aren't poorly to be at home?

What benefit is making a kid stay at home for a week when there's nothing wrong with them? This then means somebody has to look after them and stay off work too.

Of course it will be here still, it's not going to go away any time soon and at what point do we say just carry on as best we can? I said it weeks ago, it won't be the actual illness causing issues but the isolation nonsense.
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I'm currently testing every day and especially today as I returned to work, why wouldn't I?
I'm in a house with 2 covid sufferers why would I risk passing it onto my colleagues? To not test would be irresponsible and it's hardly having a major impact on my life.

And I'll only have to stay home if I get a positive test and I'll follow it up with a PCR, again, why wouldn't I, it would be irresponsible for me to ignore a positive test and mix with other people.

I have every sympathy with the school argument, I don't have school aged kids but i see family and friends
struggling with it and it's hard.

But I really don't see why you would call isolation nonsense, if people have had a positive test they should be isolating, again, not to do so would be irresponsible.

I've highlighted how serious this illness can be, I've never known an illness to hit so many people around me with a small number seriously, why wouldn't anyone with it isolate, I really can't understand your thinking.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,349
Rich said:
If everyone is only affected mildly like me at the moment then, yeah let everyone get it. I’ve had worse colds however I’m only a couple of days in and I am crapping myself that it’ll get worse.
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have you read my posts/ Not everyone is mildly affected like you. If everyone were only mildly effected it would be a no brainer. I think you'll be OK though if you've not had it too bad so far (fingers crossed)
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 4, 2022
  • #56,350
clint van damme said:
I'm currently testing every day and especially today as I returned to work, why wouldn't I?
I'm in a house with 2 covid sufferers why would I risk passing it onto my colleagues? To not test would be irresponsible and it's hardly having a major impact on my life.

And I'll only have to stay home if I get a positive test and I'll follow it up with a PCR, again, why wouldn't I, it would be irresponsible for me to ignore a positive test and mix with other people.

I have every sympathy with the school argument, I don't have school aged kids but i see family and friends
struggling with it and it's hard.

But I really don't see why you would call isolation nonsense, if people have had a positive test they should be isolating, again, not to do so would be irresponsible.

I've highlighted how serious this illness can be, I've never known an illness to hit so many people around me with a small number seriously, why wouldn't anyone with it isolate, I really can't understand your thinking.
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My point was more about the industries that will have to test every day regardless of them being in contact with somebody who has it.

It's isolation causing the issues. Not the actual illness, it's not People all bed ridden. The huge majority of people now seem to just have a cold. Yes some will need poorly from it and others have no symptoms at all.

Do we isolate because of the flu and colds next winter and force people to stay at home for 7 days? It's not viable.

There will be companies going bust because they have people at home unable to go to work with not many symptoms at all.Or even without a positive test at all but looking after kids who have to isolate.
 
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