Nick
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Is that going to be a permanent thing? Hopefully it can come down again to maybe 5 if possible.
Is that going to be a permanent thing? Hopefully it can come down again to maybe 5 if possible.Hopefully a bit of better, and I believe sensible, news
I don’t think it’s overhyped so much - although some of the media is definitely guilty of it but they’re guilty of overhyping most things. It’s more that until we know more about this strain then it is sensible to put some minor restrictions in (mask wearing and proof of vaccine is fuck all really) while we wait for more and more accurate data. It’s better than doing what we did first time around by doing fuck all until it was way too late and having to shut the country down.On the 15th September, we were effectively back to normal with no restrictions at all and the UK recorded 201 covid deaths. We were about halfway from second jabbing the 20-30 year old range
Last Wednesday we recorded 164 deaths, with mask wearing back and Omricon in the UK for about two weeks. In those two weeks cases increased daily from 45k to 78k on the 15th December.
We had 84 deaths the weekend just gone (Saturday + Sunday) and 220 during the weekend of September 18th + 19th
I can't help feel this has been massively overhyped by the media
For incompetency or something else?Of course it has been overhyped. Trying to scare as many people as possible.
It's a distraction.
I don’t think it’s overhyped so much - although some of the media is definitely guilty of it but they’re guilty of overhyping most things. It’s more that until we know more about this strain then it is sensible to put some minor restrictions in (mask wearing and proof of vaccine is fuck all really) while we wait for more and more accurate data. It’s better than doing what we did first time around by doing fuck all until it was way too late and having to shut the country down.
The reason given should be that the chance of transmitting is substantially lower not to save Xmas or lack of staff ffsHopefully a bit of better, and I believe sensible, news
The reason given should be that the chance of transmitting is substantially lower not to save Xmas or lack of staff ffs
It isn't sensible if that's the reason is it? If the reason is that it's excessively long in relation to somebody's period of infectiousness then yeah.Hopefully a bit of better, and I believe sensible, news
Who is pushing them?Of course it was over hyped. Look at how they push the headlines to get everybody as scared as possible.
Who is pushing them?
People seem to have got it into their heads that this is only happening in the UK and everyone else is just cracking on like nothing has changed when pretty much the opposite is true.I don’t think it’s overhyped so much - although some of the media is definitely guilty of it but they’re guilty of overhyping most things. It’s more that until we know more about this strain then it is sensible to put some minor restrictions in (mask wearing and proof of vaccine is fuck all really) while we wait for more and more accurate data. It’s better than doing what we did first time around by doing fuck all until it was way too late and having to shut the country down.
You have to have an open mind at either end for the management of risk to make senseWhere does it end? Is this going to be our life now?
I don't get why places like Wales are going to implement more restrictions while their deaths / hospitalisations are actually coming down. Especially that a Cardiff can can't go to watch a home game but can travel to an away game to watch that one. Is the COVID pass not enough now?
So many of them just don't make much sense.
You have to have an open mind at either end for the management of risk to make sense
A good piece on why while Omicron may be milder it is sensible to be careful
Omicron is spreading at an alarming rate, and there's no solid evidence it's 'milder' | William Hanage
Epidemics of rapidly transmitting viruses are not kind to overstretched healthcare systems, says academic William Hanagewww.theguardian.com
So the whole world is in I'm a conspiracy theory because Boris held an after work party 18 months ago. Ok errr that seems plausible.
I get that we're all fed up with restrictions but this remains serious. Warwick is full on the Covid ant ITU wards, the surge ward prepped in readiness. I also heard a former colleague of mine on CWR regarding the bed availability in UHCW regarding their response. He's a man of integrity and I'd take his opinion over the friend of a friend on a football forum. This is here to stay and we should be as cautious now with testing, sanitising and mask wearing as we were last year. Your choice, but I know what I'll be doing to protect my family.
So the whole world is in I'm a conspiracy theory because Boris held an after work party 18 months ago. Ok errr that seems plausible.
I get that we're all fed up with restrictions but this remains serious. Warwick is full on the Covid ant ITU wards, the surge ward prepped in readiness. I also heard a former colleague of mine on CWR regarding the bed availability in UHCW regarding their response. He's a man of integrity and I'd take his opinion over the friend of a friend on a football forum. This is here to stay and we should be as cautious now with testing, sanitising and mask wearing as we were last year. Your choice, but I know what I'll be doing to protect my family.
Eyeballing that, looks like first week of november cases started increasing. So even with the two/three week lag you'd expect by the end of November deaths would start to following the same trend.
Eyeballing that, looks like first week of november cases started increasing. So even with the two/three week lag you'd expect by the end of November deaths would start to following the same trend.
It's not.
It's good news.Eyeballing that, looks like first week of november cases started increasing. So even with the two/three week lag you'd expect by the end of November deaths would start to following the same trend.
It's not.
How are the stats looking compared to last year in terms of hospitalisations and deaths?
More people will be dying from suicide every day than Omicron. People can't have to keep putting their lives on hold every few months.
People are always going to die from it.
A very important point was made on the radio about comparing to last year. When looking at numbers in hospital & ICU you're comparing with an NHS that had basically shut down as much non-covid treatment as possible to enable them to cope with covid.How are the stats looking compared to last year in terms of hospitalisations and deaths?
So while its great that the numbers aren't peaking as high as they are previously it doesn't mean there is no impact and the NHS is just carrying on as normal.Coventry's University Hospital is preparing to increase its number of critical care beds from 30 to over 150 to cope with the expected upsurge in coronavirus cases.
The hospital is waiting on more ventilators to arrive, and is also taking on retired staff and students to help bolster the workforce.
"We've emptied a lot of beds on site and have cancelled a lot of planned surgery. We have also taken down many outpatient clinics but are still doing some digitally thanks to modern technology over the airwaves."
"We have increased our critical care capacity and plan to do even more of that once ventilators are available, and we are training more and more staff to be able to use that equipment so that we can take more patients who need that care.
Mr Hardy told CoventryLive that UHCW's critical care capacity, which usually sits at around 30 beds, has been upped to 50 and that could increase to as high as 158 if needed.
More people will be dying from suicide every day than Omicron.
There were on average about 14 suicides a day last year (thankfully, the suicide rate fell in 2020). There were 5200 suicides total in England and Wales last year - we've had about 70,000 coronavirus deaths in the UK as a whole in 2021.
Personally I think the jury's still out on whether countries are over-reacting or under-reacting to Omicron. But your claims that this is all some kind of media diversion tactic are sounding more and more unhinged.
I think that's something many overlook, myself too. Non-covid medical issues are still there, the backlog for treatment is huge and won't be cleared as quickly.A very important point was made on the radio about comparing to last year. When looking at numbers in hospital & ICU you're comparing with an NHS that had basically shut down as much non-covid treatment as possible to enable them to cope with covid.
Look at UHCW as an example
So while its great that the numbers aren't peaking as high as they are previously it doesn't mean there is no impact and the NHS is just carrying on as normal.
It isn't sensible if that's the reason is it? If the reason is that it's excessively long in relation to somebody's period of infectiousness then yeah.
Read what I said, people dying from Omicron.
It will get to a point when the science and statistics just get pushed to the side and ignored because they don't fit.
Read what I said, people dying from Omicron.
It will get to a point when the science and statistics just get pushed to the side and ignored because they don't fit.
I think that's something many overlook, myself too. Non-covid medial issues are still there, the backlog for treatment is huge and won't be cleared as quickly.
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