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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,951
robbiekeane said:
If you asked me 6/12 months ago I’d said that’s a really bad stance to take and now I’m exactly the fucking same.
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Unfortunately I don’t know if we will find out the data to support that view as there’s a real lack of transparency. All we want to know is if you have been double jabbed, had a booster jab or had Covid recently and healthy, are you safe ?!

It’s a simple question and needs answering. Instead we get forecasts of 5000 deaths a day rammed down our throats. It’s unacceptable
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,952
Cancelled coming over for Christmas, seems too much of a mess over there.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,953
Sick Boy said:
Cancelled coming over for Christmas, seems too much of a mess over there.
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I think it will be a mess everywhere in terms of case numbers sick boy. If Omicron is as transmissible as it appears then only stricter measures will have an effect. Sorry if I keep repeating myself but it’s hospitalisations/Covid inpatients that’s got to be the focus now
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,954
CCFCSteve said:
I think it will be a mess everywhere in terms of case numbers sick boy. If Omicron is as transmissible as it appears then only stricter measures will have an effect. Sorry if I keep repeating myself but it’s hospitalisations/Covid inpatients that’s got to be the focus now
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Yeah I agree with you, I’ve got my booster on 30th and don’t want to take the risk of ending up not being able to get back over.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,955
Have decided not to go down for Christmas this year, a dozen people mixing indoors for a few days with the seriousness of Omicron not yet established doesn’t seem wise to me. Will do my own mini one instead
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,956
Gig I was due at last night got postponed last minute until Feb. 22.
Going to see my eldests 1st ever art exhibition this afternoon... really hope they don't panic and cancel that too.
Off down south next week to catch up with my unvaccinated brother and kids and then test before collecting my old mum to bring her back north for Xmas.
I'm getting boosted tomorrow and now have the attitude of cracking on as normal with everything and leave it to others if they want to join in or sit it out.
Meant to be going the pub tonight although the original 8 is already down to 3 of us...pppfft.
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,957
Stop getting tested, simple

I came down with cold earlier in the week and took a LFT just in case which came back negative. The cynic in me says I would've tested positive if I went for an official PCR test

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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,958
@Houchens Head you alright?

Man kicked off flight for wearing women's underwear as face mask

Adam Jenne was ordered to disembark the United Airlines flight following his stunt -which he suggests illustrates the "absurdity" of having to wear a face covering on a plane until it reaches cruising altitude.
news.sky.com
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,959
skyblue1991 said:
Stop getting tested, simple

I came down with cold earlier in the week and took a LFT just in case which came back negative. The cynic in me says I would've tested positive if I went for an official PCR test

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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,960
CCFCSteve said:
Finally, if rumours are true about Sage pushing for a potential immediate ‘two week’ lockdown ie no mixing of households and only outdoor hospitality, they can do one unless they’ve got real life data to back it up. I never thought I’d say this but if it’s unvaccinated getting seriously ill and ending up in hospital, not those who are vaccinated/boosted, lock them down, not people who have done everything asked of them.
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I've said this a couple of times on this thread. If the government want to promote the vaccines properly they should push to show the figures of those in hospital that aren't vaccinated. I still cannot understand why they don't do that as surely that gives people the incentive.



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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,961
skyblue1991 said:
Stop getting tested, simple

I came down with cold earlier in the week and took a LFT just in case which came back negative. The cynic in me says I would've tested positive if I went for an official PCR test

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Not sure that it would if it’s just a cold but by all accounts many omicron symptoms are cold like, so maybe get a pcr anyway...but be prepared to have Xmas plans fucked if you do (don’t blame me !!!)
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,962
skyblue1991 said:
Stop getting tested, simple

I came down with cold earlier in the week and took a LFT just in case which came back negative. The cynic in me says I would've tested positive if I went for an official PCR test

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Christ.
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,963
CCFCSteve said:
Not sure that it would if it’s just a cold but by all accounts many omicron symptoms are cold like, so maybe get a pcr anyway...but be prepared to have Xmas plans fucked if you do (don’t blame me !!!)
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No chance, I'm fine and my immediate family I'm with over Xmas are fine so not going to risk any plans with a week to go!

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Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,964
You have to say we as a country are over testing, the more tests we do then of course the more cases we have which makes things look worse.

The most important figures are the hospitalisations and deaths and as far as I can see they remain low which is excellent news!

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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,965
skyblue1991 said:
No chance, I'm fine and my immediate family I'm with over Xmas are fine so not going to risk any plans with a week to go!

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If you’re only going to be with immediate family anyway no probs I guess. If you were going to be around high risk relatives maybe worth a test before seeing them
 

stupot07

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,966

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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,967
stupot07 said:

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If it’s mild though that decisive action should be what?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,968
stupot07 said:

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Said it earlier in the thread. It will be isolating that will fuck the country up.

There will potentially be hundreds of thousands if not millions of people with the majority having to stay in and off work with either no symptoms or very mild.

Everybody is rushing to test every day. Fuck that.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,969
skyblue1991 said:
The fact hospital admissions and deaths are still low either proves the booster programme is going well or Omicron isn't as severe as the government/media are making out

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Not enough time to say that yet really. Cases only just started going up, any hospitalisations or deaths will come next.
 
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stupot07

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,970
Sky Blue Pete said:
If it’s mild though that decisive action should be what?
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I dont know, to be honest I posted it not that comment but more the current status of ambulances in London. Someone's loved ones will die because an ambulance cannot get there in time.

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stupot07

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,971
shmmeee said:
Not enough time to say that yet really. Cases only just started going up, any hospitalisations or deaths will come next.
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Definitely, it will be 2-3 weeks time we will start seeing the numbers of hospitalisations and deaths start to rise. At the moment its ripping through the younger and less vulnerable population.

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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,972
stupot07 said:

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Maybe the people of London should be looking at themselves and their willingness to get vaccinated/booster, same as some other big cities.
 
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stupot07

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,973
CCFCSteve said:
Maybe the people of London should be looking at themselves and their willingness to get vaccinated/booster, same as some other big cities.
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Coventry's not good
First dose 70%
Second dose 63%
Booster 34%

Thats well below the national average of

First dose 89%
Second dose 81%
Booster 46%

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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,974
stupot07 said:
Coventry's not good
First dose 70%
Second dose 63%
Booster 34%

Thats well below the national average of

First dose 89%
Second dose 81%
Booster 46%

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Birmingham, where I live, is even worse
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,975
CCFCSteve said:
Maybe the people of London should be looking at themselves and their willingness to get vaccinated/booster, same as some other big cities.
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But it won’t be the unvaccinated that die because they can’t get an ambulance after a car accident or a collapse at home.
3 weeks ago at our Vets football match a player collapsed at the side of the pitch - the ambulance said they couldn’t come for 2 hours. The only reason he survived was because the local police were present ( there had been some trouble with weapons the previous week) and they had a defibrillator in the back of their car. And then they still had to blue-light him to A&E.
If they weren’t on hand he’d likely have died at the side of the pitch.
The entire system is on the brink of collapse and can’t cope any longer.
 
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stupot07

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,976
Ian1779 said:
But it won’t be the unvaccinated that die because they can’t get an ambulance after a car accident or a collapse at home.
3 weeks ago at our Vets football match a player collapsed at the side of the pitch - the ambulance said they couldn’t come for 2 hours. The only reason he survived was because the local police were present ( there had been some trouble with weapons the previous week) and they had a defibrillator in the back of their car. And then they still had to blue-light him to A&E.
If they weren’t on hand he’d likely have died at the side of the pitch.
The entire system is on the brink of collapse and can’t cope any longer.
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Yeah that was my point, not those with covid but those who fall ill and need quick critical treatment.

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David O'Day

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,977
skyblue1991 said:
You have to say we as a country are over testing, the more tests we do then of course the more cases we have which makes things look worse.

The most important figures are the hospitalisations and deaths and as far as I can see they remain low which is excellent news!

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There's a drag on Hospitalisations and then deaths which means we don't actually really know anything yet.

People have told you this already
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,978
David O'Day said:
There's a drag on Hospitalisations and then deaths which means we don't actually really know anything yet.

People have told you this already
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I do understand that but those around me infected only have mild symptoms. Previously a few had it bad and ended up in hospital. You’re correct though - wait and see
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,979
CCFCSteve said:
Unfortunately I don’t know if we will find out the data to support that view as there’s a real lack of transparency. All we want to know is if you have been double jabbed, had a booster jab or had Covid recently and healthy, are you safe ?!

It’s a simple question and needs answering. Instead we get forecasts of 5000 deaths a day rammed down our throats. It’s unacceptable
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Haven't they said 75%effectiveness of previous?
No Idea if that's mortality or just reduction of severe symptoms but think it's the latter

Hard luck lads to anyone's plan's going up in smoke.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,980
wingy said:
Haven't they said 75%effectiveness of previous?
No Idea if that's mortality or just reduction of severe symptoms but think it's the latter

Hard luck lads to anyone's plan's going up in smoke.
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Must be honest I don’t see the logic in avoiding everything for a week to have a mass infection event on the 25th. Will steer clear
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,981
Ian1779 said:
But it won’t be the unvaccinated that die because they can’t get an ambulance after a car accident or a collapse at home.
3 weeks ago at our Vets football match a player collapsed at the side of the pitch - the ambulance said they couldn’t come for 2 hours. The only reason he survived was because the local police were present ( there had been some trouble with weapons the previous week) and they had a defibrillator in the back of their car. And then they still had to blue-light him to A&E.
If they weren’t on hand he’d likely have died at the side of the pitch.
The entire system is on the brink of collapse and can’t cope any longer.
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That is really concerning. I thought they would prioritise something as serious as that. Things must be really bad if they can't respond to that sort of thing.
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,982
Deleted member 9744 said:
That is really concerning. I thought they would prioritise something as serious as that. Things must be really bad if they can't respond to that sort of thing.
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This was in Northampton. As well as not being able to send an ambulance for that long the police had to take him to Kettering which is about another 12 miles away.
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,983
Sky Blue Pete said:
I do understand that but those around me infected only have mild symptoms. Previously a few had it bad and ended up in hospital. You’re correct though - wait and see
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Yes most people may have mild symptoms but the larger spread could lead to more in hospital.

To use someone else's figures yet again:

Variant a infects 10 people and 1 of those people ends up in hospital

Variant b infects 50 people and 2 end up in hospital

Variant a is a more severe variant of the virus but variant b due to the transmission rate actually leads to more people ending up in hospital.

This has been explained countless times on here as well
 
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Nick

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,984
CCFCSteve said:
Maybe the people of London should be looking at themselves and their willingness to get vaccinated/booster, same as some other big cities.
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Would that stop the 400 paramedics isolating though? Would assume the majority of those are vaccinated.

It's been turned into a blame each other game rather than blame the people who's actual job is to protect the NHS.

There should be some sort of common sense around the isolation rules. If 400 paramedics have caught covid then that's a bit worrying too.
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #54,985
Nick said:
Would that stop the 400 paramedics isolating though? Would assume the majority of those are vaccinated.
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It says sick - not isolating. It could be a combination of the two to be fair.
 
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