David O'Day
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one point about the Spanish Flu. There is an argument hinted at by some studies that the 1st and 2nd waves of the pandemic where actually 2 different viruses
Hmmm...
A few things to clarify the science here - it took me about ten minutes to find these out, so I remain entirely unconvinced that repeating stuff unchecked is in any way smart:
Is there evidence that Omicron can re-infect people who have already had Covid?
Yes.
Do viruses always mutate to become less deadly?
No. (This is a dangerous myth entirely without evidence and anyone who repeats it needs their head checking)
Fact check: Yes, viruses can mutate to become more deadly
A viral tweet shared online falsely claims viruses never mutate to become more lethal.www.usatoday.com
See also Spanish flu...
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How many cases of Omicron?
Tricky! That 200,000 number wasn't just pulled out of the air though, there's some logic behind it...
How big is the risk of Omicron in the UK and how do we know?
Analysis: Sajid Javid estimates there are 200,000 new cases a day – here’s why the experts suggest that number will soon multiplywww.theguardian.com
The key point is, even if the true number infected is much smaller than that, if it's doubling every two or even three days, then it's going to get much bigger very quickly.
If there was only one person infected on 14th December, and it doubled every three days, then by the end of January there would be 65,000 new infections on that day alone. Three days later, 130,000 new infections, and so on.
Will it burn itself out?
Eventually. But it might not be pretty if we don't slow it down a bit.
I wouldn't pretend for a second to know all of the facts. However, given what we do seem to know already, doing nothing on the basis that it might be milder, or we should wait to see the impacts, or even that the Government are blagging the figures just to protect Boris, just doesn't look sensible to me.
You've surely got to start questioning why this government is causing all this panic when the country that experienced it first, and had a hell of a case spike, is just carrying on regardless?
Do we know how many tests were carried out before Omicron (e.g. mid-November)?
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one point about the Spanish Flu. There is an argument hinted at by some studies that the 1st and 2nd waves of the pandemic where actually 2 different viruses
Interesting read that, thanks, although there are conflicting opinions even there. I think what's clear though, is that viruses certainly do not always mutate to become less virulent.
Blimey, if you follow Cov long enough, not only do you become better at forensic accountancy and law, but you also have to brush up on virology. Where will it end.
Even though the headlines are massive, it's still just below 5%
I guess the issue with knowing 100% what caused the Spanish Flu is that we didn't isolate the flu until the 30s
Anyway i digress
Some of you might find this interesting. New estimate for cases. So the million cases was BS
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That clearly says that because of steps taken the estimate based on the doubling time if they didn't take steps is no longer valid as we have in fact taken steps.
Some of you might find this interesting. New estimate for cases. So the million cases was BS
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it says due to behaviour changes. Nothing has changed that drastically in 3 days
Surprised it amuses them to be honest, I'd be sick of it by now.My wife works in a hospital. Most in ICU are covid sufferers. It “amuses” the ICU staff how the vaccine refusers are only too happy to accept whatever treatment is offered.
Things had already started to change to be fair, Christmas parties cancelled etc. As it was in March 2020 people and businesses started to take action before any government announcement.it says due to behaviour changes. Nothing has changed that drastically in 3 days
If this is actually confirmed as a lab leak rather than of natural origin, China should be levied some pretty big reparations.
Surprised it amuses them to be honest, I'd be sick of it by now.
Surprised it amuses them to be honest, I'd be sick of it by now.
Good point. How many refusers have prevented their children having vaccinations as they have grown up? Seems to be a badge of honour not to wear the badge.Gallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Gallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Do those who are genuinely against the vaccine rather than just haven't bothered accept hospital treatment and medication? Appreciate not a lot of their stance makes sense but if you won't take a vaccine as you don't know what's in it do they research every treatment offered to them or just trust what the medical professionals tell them?My wife works in a hospital. Most in ICU are covid sufferers. It “amuses” the ICU staff how the vaccine refusers are only too happy to accept whatever treatment is offered.
When in hospital no treatment is questioned. Not marching down the street with a placard when this happens!Do those who are genuinely against the vaccine rather than just haven't bothered accept hospital treatment and medication? Appreciate not a lot of their stance makes sense but if you won't take a vaccine as you don't know what's in it do they research every treatment offered to them or just trust what the medical professionals tell them?
The UK has really low levels of vaccine hesitancy to be fair. I think Andrew Wakefield caused a lot of grief but even despite that our take up rate is excellent.Gallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Ebola? Hiv? The common influenza?Gallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Agree our rates are alot better than other countrys but i still have mates well ex mates that have ditched me for taking the vaccine, the same idiots started comparing covid to cancerThe UK has really low levels of vaccine hesitancy to be fair. I think Andrew Wakefield caused a lot of grief but even despite that our take up rate is excellent.
I think the anti vax stuff is in the same nihilist bucket as brexit, the "politicians are all the same" and other things. All just signs of people who feel powerless but want to express power in some way
Agree our rates are alot better than other countrys but i still have mates well ex mates that have ditched me for taking the vaccine, the same idiots started comparing covid to cancer
Things had already started to change to be fair, Christmas parties cancelled etc. As it was in March 2020 people and businesses started to take action before any government announcement.
The UK has really low levels of vaccine hesitancy to be fair. I think Andrew Wakefield caused a lot of grief but even despite that our take up rate is excellent.
I think the anti vax stuff is in the same nihilist bucket as brexit, the "politicians are all the same" and other things. All just signs of people who feel powerless but want to express power in some way
The little god theory. We all think we know bestGallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Yep my sensible friends who’ve not had the vaccine are saying precisely this. And you can’t tell them the science or medical opinion as they are on the governments payrollI think the only reason I have heard from people that are still yet to get the vaccine that isn't anti-vax is that they are concerned by how quickly the vaccine was created, without the chance to understand long-term effects.
Obviously, despite the mountain of evidence against the need to worry, you can at least semi understand that view point.
The reality is that for most people this is going to become a regular vaccination probably every year.
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