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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,706
Sky Blue Pete said:
In uninfected people the tests correctly ruled out infection in 99.5% of people with covid-19-like symptoms and in 98.9% of those without.

Covid-19: Lateral flow tests are better at identifying people with symptoms, finds Cochrane review

Rapid antigen (lateral flow) tests are better at identifying covid-19 infection in people with symptoms than in those with none, although the diagnostic accuracy of different brands of tests varies widely, a Cochrane review has found.1 The review’s lead author criticised the UK government for...
www.bmj.com
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In my case the LFT was positive but the PCR negative
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,707
Sky Blue Pete said:
In uninfected people the tests correctly ruled out infection in 99.5% of people with covid-19-like symptoms and in 98.9% of those without.

Covid-19: Lateral flow tests are better at identifying people with symptoms, finds Cochrane review

Rapid antigen (lateral flow) tests are better at identifying covid-19 infection in people with symptoms than in those with none, although the diagnostic accuracy of different brands of tests varies widely, a Cochrane review has found.1 The review’s lead author criticised the UK government for...
www.bmj.com
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And somewhere between 60-80% for correctly calling other stuff
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,708
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In my case the LFT was positive but the PCR negative
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And mine
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,709
Macca1987 said:
Don't think we should disregard anything, but if we look at it the other way from top down, our older population and those with underlying conditions were the first to get boosters and a lot maybe even the majority will be three jabbed now, and it will be the younger population that this spreads through
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Given even with a booster it's likely there will be a breakthrough in a significant percentage, it will hit the old too.

The point of vaccinating/boosting everyone is to slow the spread.

Even if only a very small percentage of young people are affected, it's still going to be potentially a very large number in hospital in a short space of time. That will break the NHS for everyone.

What's your solution here Nick, would you just let it rip?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,710
duffer said:
Given even with a booster it's likely there will be a breakthrough in a significant percentage, it will hit the old too.

The point of vaccinating/boosting everyone is to slow the spread.

Even if only a very small percentage of young people are affected, it's still going to be potentially a very large number in hospital in a short space of time. That will break the NHS for everyone.

What's your solution here Nick, would you just let it rip?
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Bit more nuanced.

He’s saying don’t lie and panic people to make them do things otherwise they may not believe you when you do the same again
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,711
Sky Blue Pete said:
And mine
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When I had it, symptomatically, I had two negative LFTs and one positive, on consecutive days of feeling like death. PCR was positive.
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,712
Sky Blue Pete said:
Bit more nuanced.

He’s saying don’t lie and panic people to make them do things otherwise they may not believe you when you do the same again
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Fair enough, if that's what you think is being said. What's the lie that's currently being pushed, would you say?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,713
duffer said:
Given even with a booster it's likely there will be a breakthrough in a significant percentage, it will hit the old too.

The point of vaccinating/boosting everyone is to slow the spread.

Even if only a very small percentage of young people are affected, it's still going to be potentially a very large number in hospital in a short space of time. That will break the NHS for everyone.

What's your solution here Nick, would you just let it rip?
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I don't think the first issue is going to be breaking the NHS. The 10 day isolation for people "if" their symptoms are very mild or even not there is going to break a lot of things first surely? That has to be the first worry.

Then you have things like people who can't afford to not miss work still (same as before). You have people who don't want to miss their Christmas piss up or seeing their families so if they have a sniffle they aren't going to do a test.

IF it turns out that for the vast majority it is just a cold for a day then let it rip.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,714
duffer said:
Fair enough, if that's what you think is being said. What's the lie that's currently being pushed, would you say?
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There is the one where he was keen to spin that it had killed somebody which he knew would become headline news.
There are also the ones about numbers that just happened to be incorrect.

There needs to be transparency about it all so people can decide, surely?
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,715
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s amazing it used to be 6000 a year
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It is, far less people outside though ..covid
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,716
Nick said:
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,717
Jamesimus said:
I'm very much for the vaccine and health care workers being vaccinated for obvious reasons. That being said, the thought of someone losing their career over it doesn't sit well with me.
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It shouldnt sit well with anybody .. but here we are
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,718
duffer said:
Given even with a booster it's likely there will be a breakthrough in a significant percentage, it will hit the old too.

The point of vaccinating/boosting everyone is to slow the spread.

Even if only a very small percentage of young people are affected, it's still going to be potentially a very large number in hospital in a short space of time. That will break the NHS for everyone.

What's your solution here Nick, would you just let it rip?
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I agree with pretty much all your posts recently Duffer but I still think there’s too many unknowns to suggest that without restrictions/slowing the spread it will break the nhs. The forecasts at the moment aren’t really worth the paper their written on as we really don’t have much of a clue about omicron other than it’s more transmissible. In the summer forecasters were saying post ‘freedom day’ there would be 100k cases per day and 2-3 times more hospitalisations than actually happened

Younger people may not have had boosters but a majority will hopefully have decent immunity from two jabs (as many would’ve had Pfizer and also jabbed more recently) and also natural immunity...obviously assuming omicron doesn’t swerve both. Then there are suggestions that omicron might be milder and younger people are at far reduced risk, even if totally unvaccinated.

I agree with the precautionary measures but talk about NHS being overwhelmed feels premature. I’m not saying it won’t happen or isn’t at risk of it happening (as I say too many unknowns) but this time last year we had 13k with Covid in hospital in England and currently it’s around 6.5k. Also last year there was far less natural immunity and literally no vaccine immunity to protect from severe illness/ hospitalisation.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,719
Evo1883 said:
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He’s a good data analyser but is missing the point. This should be about how many end up seriously ill/in hospital. It’s pretty much established that waning double jab will not stop you getting it but will still hopefully provide some decent protection from severe illness (booster even more so)

Anecdotal but my ex’s mum (70) nearly died from a stroke last year and recently had additional brain surgery so high risk. Had her booster. Caught Covid three weeks ago (only tested after track and trace) no/extremely mild symptoms and wouldn’t have even tested if not contacted
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,720
80k cases yikes, so the new variant sits outside the lungs thats why its mildee.
 

Blind-Faith

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,721
Would this be because more have been tested? Hence catching more cases?
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,722
Blind-Faith said:
Would this be because more have been tested? Hence catching more cases?
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The % of test coming back positive is going up also, and tbh they reckon this new variant is making 200k new infrctions per day, so i expect to see like 100/200k cases per day in a few weeks time.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,723
Blind-Faith said:
Would this be because more have been tested? Hence catching more cases?
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Decent testing numbers (1.3m) but doesn’t explain jump. No doubt numbers will be above 100k. Just need to hope it doesn’t transmit into severe illness/hospitalisations

On a brighter note, assuming it’s less severe, a lot of the country will secure natural immunity

Edit - 656k boosters yesterday !
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,724
CCFCSteve said:
I agree with pretty much all your posts recently Duffer but I still think there’s too many unknowns to suggest that without restrictions/slowing the spread it will break the nhs. The forecasts at the moment aren’t really worth the paper their written on as we really don’t have much of a clue about omicron other than it’s more transmissible. In the summer forecasters were saying post ‘freedom day’ there would be 100k cases per day and 2-3 times more hospitalisations than actually happened

Younger people may not have had boosters but a majority will hopefully have decent immunity from two jabs (as many would’ve had Pfizer and also jabbed more recently) and also natural immunity...obviously assuming omicron doesn’t swerve both. Then there are suggestions that omicron might be milder and younger people are at far reduced risk, even if totally unvaccinated.

I agree with the precautionary measures but talk about NHS being overwhelmed feels premature. I’m not saying it won’t happen or isn’t at risk of it happening (as I say too many unknowns) but this time last year we had 13k with Covid in hospital in England and currently it’s around 6.5k. Also last year there was far less natural immunity and literally no vaccine immunity to protect from severe illness/ hospitalisation.
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Stop talking sense people wont like it
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,725
10,000 omicron
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,726
Kieranp96 said:
80k cases yikes, so the new variant sits outside the lungs thats why its mildee.
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This virus is really very peculiar. The biology behind who hardly notices an infection and who ends up seriously ill just gets more complicated
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,727
CCFCSteve said:
Just need to hope it doesn’t transmit into severe illness/hospitalisations
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Hospitalisations doesn't get released daily. The last update for admissions was on Saturday but already it was up over 10% in a week which can't be a good sign.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,728
New

Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told

A Canadian molecular biologist said a lab origin of Covid-19 is more likely than natural origin at this point
wap.business-standard.com
 

Marty

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,729
Evo1883 said:
New

Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told

A Canadian molecular biologist said a lab origin of Covid-19 is more likely than natural origin at this point
wap.business-standard.com
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Tell us something we don't know... plenty of red faces on here with this news. Turns out you CAN'T trust the CCP. Who'd have guessed? About time Xinnie the pooh takes responsibility.
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,730
Evo1883 said:
New

Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told

A Canadian molecular biologist said a lab origin of Covid-19 is more likely than natural origin at this point
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She's been saying that for ages and has a book out about it. Although in interviews she has phrased it more that we can’t be certain that it did not emerge from the Wuhan Institute of Virology which I think most people would agree with.

Not sure she's got any actual evidence any more than any of the other experts that have said similar. Defiantly something that needs investigating but we all know China won't cooperate and any evidence will be long gone so is unlikely to be easily proven.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,731
Marty said:
Tell us something we don't know... plenty of red faces on here with this news. Turns out you CAN'T trust the CCP. Who'd have guessed? About time Xinnie the pooh takes responsibility.
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I mean.


We all thought that from day one.

My view? Them riots in Hong Kong needed stopping didn't they..........
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,732
chiefdave said:
Hospitalisations doesn't get released daily. The last update for admissions was on Saturday but already it was up over 10% in a week which can't be a good sign.
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Yeah, I keep an eye on PHE Covid inpatients (England only). Currently 6.5k This will be the main figure to keep an eye out for. If (and it’s still an if) we follow SA trend, admissions are staying in for shorter periods due to milder illness which will hopefully help control the steepness of the increase
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,733
Evo1883 said:
New

Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told

A Canadian molecular biologist said a lab origin of Covid-19 is more likely than natural origin at this point
wap.business-standard.com
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Their response since the outbreak indicates it was a lab leak (why delay, obstruct and minimise inspection ?!). They should be on the hook for world reparations !!! Disgraceful
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,734
CCFCSteve said:
Their response since the outbreak indicates it was a lab leak (why delay, obstruct and minimise inspection ?!). They should be on the hook for world reparations !!! Disgraceful
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Which other countries have paid reparations for starting a pandemic?
It's not a serious suggestion.

There has been a huge lack of transparency but I doubt they give a fuck.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,735
clint van damme said:
Which other countries have paid reparations for starting a pandemic?
It's not a serious suggestion.

There has been a huge lack of transparency but I doubt they give a fuck.
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Did the Us pont up for the Spanish flu?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,736
"biggest vaccination Monday"

Cringe
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,737
David O'Day said:
Did the Us pont up for the Spanish flu?
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Or swine flu?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,738
clint van damme said:
Which other countries have paid reparations for starting a pandemic?
It's not a serious suggestion.

There has been a huge lack of transparency but I doubt they give a fuck.
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I know they won’t. Never going to happen. It’s not the release of virus that I’ve got an issue with, assuming it was accidental. It was the cover up and then the obstruction of the investigation since which may have hampered our global ability to stop/treat the disease.
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,739
clint van damme said:
Which other countries have paid reparations for starting a pandemic?
It's not a serious suggestion.

There has been a huge lack of transparency but I doubt they give a fuck.
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Capitalism 1 Communism 0
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2021
  • #54,740
CCFCSteve said:
I know they won’t. Never going to happen. It’s not the release of virus that I’ve got an issue with, assuming it was accidental. It was the cover up and then the obstruction of the investigation since which may have hampered our global ability to stop/treat the disease.
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I agree, nuke the cunts.
 
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