clint van damme
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There is that potential outcome.
I just think it's jot a policy that's beneficial to any one.
What I don't get is that they pushed it all through after the scare stories they "created" about Omicron.
Shouldn't they have waited to find out more first? What happens if it turns out that in real terms that they will be potentially getting rid of people over not much statistical risk. (assuming they are all being tested often still).
What I don't get is that they pushed it all through after the scare stories they "created" about Omicron.
Shouldn't they have waited to find out more first? What happens if it turns out that in real terms that they will be potentially getting rid of people over not much statistical risk. (assuming they are all being tested often still).
Trouble is we wait to find out more and if it's bad it's already too late. The first wave should've taught us that.
This is something where you have to err on the side of caution and assume the worst, cos if you don't chances are the lack of precaution is going to make it way worse.
This is interesting and might be why the cases of Omicron have been said to be a milder as it doesn't replicate as well in the lungs.
This is interesting and might be why the cases of Omicron have been said to be a milder as it doesn't replicate as well in the lungs.
Which would "hopefully" take away the Pneumonia type symptoms away?
Very small sample really, but interesting none the less......also that nearly 10% of cases found in the boosted, which if you roll back approx 2 weeks to allow time for the "booster benefit"....Denmark had approx. 14% of population boosted at start of december.....so...err....
I'm loving these tweets about how it's not as bad as all that and that's what I want to see, although I'm also always sceptical after that professor positive guy who was sure we'd all be licking each other's faces now.
This is a genuine question as I don't know.
Are nurses / hospital staff doing weekly / daily COVID tests?
Yep bang on. Last week I tested positive twice on lateral flow tests so had to cancel my work Xmas meal in Leeds. Took pcr to confirm the result and planned to miss an Albert hall concert, theatre musical, my anniversary trip tp Cornwall and finally the Stoke game. So was feeling pretty gutted and then started feeling poorly too that day.There is also the psychological side of it, how many people would feel worse if they were told they had a "cold" or if they had something all over the news with people saying how deadly it is? That must impact things and hospitalisations too.
Even if you had exactly the same level of symptoms, just by the name of it people will be scared.
Jenny harries seems to think figure will be huge over the next few days so let’s seeI am sure Boris will do a press conference to get people scared and just happen to get something wrong or vague.
I can err on the side of caution etc, but when we have wild numbers thrown about like 200,00 cases already although no real stats to back this up and 1 million cases by Christmas, if in the end it pans out to nothing then again people will start disbelieving more and more.Trouble is we wait to find out more and if it's bad it's already too late. The first wave should've taught us that.
This is something where you have to err on the side of caution and assume the worst, cos if you don't chances are the lack of precaution is going to make it way worse.
Yep bang on. Last week I tested positive twice on lateral flow tests so had to cancel my work Xmas meal in Leeds. Took pcr to confirm the result and planned to miss an Albert hall concert, theatre musical, my anniversary trip tp Cornwall and finally the Stoke game. So was feeling pretty gutted and then started feeling poorly too that day.
Anyway pcr comes through as negative and then so does a lateral flow to check. Pretty bizarre when lft is supposed to be 99% accurate. Anyway psychosomatic symptoms are absolutely a thing
I am sure Boris will do a press conference to get people scared and just happen to get something wrong or vague.
I don't know if you're joking here or not, but he has actually announced one for 5pm today.
Jenny harries seems to think figure will be huge over the next few days so let’s see
Sadly Jethro has died of covid despite being vaccinated. According to the twitter scientists this means we all need to 'wake up' as its proof the vaccines don't work.
What is wrong with people? I don't think I've seen any claims that any vaccine, let alone the covid vaccine, is 100% effective.
At this moment in time , they have 4 months to recruit potentially 73000 people ..
I'm guessing that won't happen , so basically the NHS is in for a huge shock
Goodnight
So there could actually be staff wondering about with a symptomless infection anyway?
This latest variant "so far" looks to be spreading more in Vaccinated people too. I'm double jabbed so yeah that includes me.
Information from my friend that runs the leamington testing centre so I think he’s more likely to be correctLFT is nowhere near 99%, on average it can be as low as 50.
Whoa there, I'm not sure the logic for this quite holds up.
There are likely to be more vaccinated people with Omicron than non-vaccinated people, because there are significantly more people who've had the vaccination.
It also seems that the variant is far more effective at breaking through, hence the push for boosters.
This seems to be the accepted risk, high to low of getting infected:
Not vaccinated.
1 vaccination.
2 vaccinations.
2 vaccinations plus booster.
That's pretty straightforward, I'd argue.
As for the single study saying that the effects of Omicron are less severe, that also should be taken with caution.
It's a small study predominantly on young adults.
I'm not saying it's wrong, but the truth is that no one is sure, and by the time we do know how severe it is in a broader, older, European cohort, we may be too far down the road to do much about it...
I can err on the side of caution etc, but when we have wild numbers thrown about like 200,00 cases already although no real stats to back this up and 1 million cases by Christmas, if in the end it pans out to nothing then again people will start disbelieving more and more.
Just to clarify, I am boosted, wear masks and work from home, just some of the rhetoric coming out from government makes me believe its just deflection from something else, wonder what that could be
Wholeheartedly agree with you, however the science info coming out of SA, where this variant has seemingly come from, begs to damp down Boris and his claimsWhich is an entirely fair point, but we're obviously not the only country that is worried about it.
Not trusting politicians is one thing and I'd heartily recommend that.
There is a fair bit of science that suggests that it isn't just something Boris has conveniently made up though (again).
I was talking about spreading though.
Wholeheartedly agree with you, however the science info coming out of SA, where this variant has seemingly come from, begs to damp down Boris and his claims
Don't think we should disregard anything, but if we look at it the other way from top down, our older population and those with underlying conditions were the first to get boosters and a lot maybe even the majority will be three jabbed now, and it will be the younger population that this spreads throughYes, but again, that's one study on a small sample of young adults.
And the numbers here are potentially very concerning. If it's really doubling every two days then within six weeks the numbers infected will be enormous.
Even if those impacted severely by the new variant are proportionally far less, as that study suggests, it's still going to be a huge burden.
Boris is a liar, that's given, but it doesn't mean the concerns should be disregarded, surely?
In uninfected people the tests correctly ruled out infection in 99.5% of people with covid-19-like symptoms and in 98.9% of those without.Information from my friend that runs the leamington testing centre so I think he’s more likely to be correct
It’s the seatbelt argument again. Just because the majority of people that die in RTA’s are wearing a seatbelt doesn’t mean seatbelts don’t work. Seatbelt conformity is very high, wearing a seatbelt doesn’t cut your chances of being involved in an RTA it just reduces your risk of death. Death rates amongst non seatbelt wearers are much much higher it’s just that they’re a minority so overall deaths are lower compared to a vast majority.Same logic Nick, surely. More vaccinated people in the population to catch and spread it.
But unless there's anything I've missed, the chances of both catching and spreading the infection are reduced by vaccination and further reduced by boosters.
I won't spend all day on this today, but that's everything that the science tells us so far, I believe.
I'm happy to be corrected if there's reputable evidence anyone can point to that says otherwise.
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matches up with the scientists from SA said
Also so people are aware Muge is a sage advisor
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