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Kieranp96

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,461
Nick said:
So they went in with bad covid symptons, tested positive and then died "with" omicron and not from it?
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You do realise covid causes heart and brain issues as side effects to bad covid? So they may of went in with chest pain and died feom heart failure directly atributed to covid.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,462
Kieranp96 said:
You do realise covid causes heart and brain issues as side effects to bad covid? So they may of went in with chest pain and died feom heart failure directly atributed to covid.
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In which case they would have died from Omicron and not with it, if it was directly attributed.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,463
Kieranp96 said:
You do realise covid causes heart and brain issues as side effects to bad covid? So they may of went in with chest pain and died feom heart failure directly atributed to covid.
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Yeah my GF has a midwifery patient who now has kidney problems caused by it and has had multiple blood transfusions - probably best not to say where the blood is coming from.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,464
Nick said:
I'd bet that there are more people in hospital with Obesity related issues than COVID related issues.

It would also be interesting to see how many people suffering with COVID related issues suffer with Obesity issues.

There would be a big spike on Alcohol ones every weekend as well.
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No doubt. And govenrment has spent billions and restricted our freedoms in an attempt to reduce that number with limited effect. Whereas asking people to get vaccinated works. If we had a shot that would bring everyone to a normal BMI Id expect that to be pushed even harder.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,465
Nick said:
In which case they would have died from Omicron and not with it, if it was directly attributed.
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Guessing they're doing a post mortem, i think all the rules and shit are stupid but you cant downplay it, i mean what happens if it comes out that it hits our elderly population again with such force the nhs cant cope again? Thsn you blame him for not locking down, csnt have ot both ways
We either have restictions and see where it is and if it turns out to be as mild as they say then happy days unlock and be back to normal.

But what happens if he dont lock down and it comes out deadlier than they expect and it overwhelms everything snd we end up going into a steict lockdown again?
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,466
Sick Boy said:
Yeah my GF has a midwifery patient who now has kidney problems caused by it and has had multiple blood transfusions - probably best not to say where the blood is coming from.
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My grandads brother has had kidney problems since catching covid, he is now on dialisis 2x a week, we dont know if it was directly linked to covid or if it was just found afyer covid all he knows is he felt great before covid and now he is in a electric chair and struggling (he is 89 yo)
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,467
Kieranp96 said:
Guessing they're doing a post mortem, i think all the rules and shit are stupid but you cant downplay it, i mean what happens if it comes out that it hits our elderly population again with such force the nhs cant cope again? Thsn you blame him for not locking down, csnt have ot both ways
We either have restictions and see where it is and if it turns out to be as mild as they say then happy days unlock and be back to normal.

But what happens if he dont lock down and it comes out deadlier than they expect and it overwhelms everything snd we end up going into a steict lockdown again?
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"What happens if" What about the next one? The one after that? What about next year when the NHS is dogshit and it's easier to just restrict things than fix it?

Statistically, I have 0.0093% chance of dying from COVID. The risk of suicide or cancer is much, much higher.
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,468
Atleast the Christmas party is forgotten about now eh
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,469
Evo1883 said:
Atleast the Christmas party is forgotten about now eh
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The strangest thing is, it has got people defending them now and justifying them bullshitting.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,470
Nick said:
Would be interesting to see if the same metric was applied to people who die "with" obesity and other things in the UK.
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Depends which stats you want to look at. Its unlikely to be listed as a cause of death but PHE produces stats about the number of deaths where obesity is a factor and those are the figures that are used to decide policy, treatment paths etc.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,471
Nick said:
"What happens if" What about the next one? The one after that? What about next year when the NHS is dogshit and it's easier to just restrict things than fix it?

Statistically, I have 0.0093% chance of dying from COVID. The risk of suicide or cancer is much, much higher.
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Im sure the 160k people who died in 18 months agree with you, just like the two 15 year olds that died feom. Covid last week,
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,472
Nick said:
"What happens if" What about the next one? The one after that? What about next year when the NHS is dogshit and it's easier to just restrict things than fix it?

Statistically, I have 0.0093% chance of dying from COVID. The risk of suicide or cancer is much, much higher.
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Ay what about the lad that Died here. From Covid who was in here?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,473
chiefdave said:
Depends which stats you want to look at. Its unlikely to be listed as a cause of death but PHE produces stats about the number of deaths where obesity is a factor and those are the figures that are used to decide policy, treatment paths etc.
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That's the thing, if everything is then done by "died with" rather than "from" it's absolute carnage.

How many people die with mental health / depression issues compared to die from / because of them? Change a word around and you have completely different numbers.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,474
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,475
Kieranp96 said:
Im sure the 160k people who died in 18 months agree with you, just like the two 15 year olds that died feom. Covid last week,
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Pretty sure the 450 that will have died from cancer yesterday outweigh the 1 that died with omicron. Still, let's cancel appointments.

I'm just pointing out facts. Yes, if I have 2 jabs I can still catch it and pass it on. So can people who have had boosters.

In fact if I am then taking tests before going to football matches etc I am going to be less likely than people who have had boosters who would have no clue if they have it or not.
 
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Deleted member 9744

Guest
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,476
Nick said:
Pretty sure the 450 that will have died from cancer yesterday outweigh the 1 that died with omicron. Still, let's cancel appointments.
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Cancer is not infectious
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,477
Deleted member 9744 said:
Cancer is not infectious
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I didn't say it was.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,478
Nick said:
"What happens if" What about the next one? The one after that? What about next year when the NHS is dogshit and it's easier to just restrict things than fix it?

Statistically, I have 0.0093% chance of dying from COVID. The risk of suicide or cancer is much, much higher.
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Until it’s tackled on a global level then it’s going to continue. At the moment the west is looking too inwardly on the situation and there’s even predictions on here about the pandemic coming to an end based on the situation in the UK, I’m sure I saw that the world’s percentage who have access to vaccines is in single figures.
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,479
Kieranp96 said:
Im sure the 160k people who died in 18 months agree with you, just like the two 15 year olds that died feom. Covid last week,
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This story has been recycled as was back in October Two pupils at a Newcastle-under-Lyme school die during half-term

Also unfortunately one of the children is obese what plays a massive part in fighting any infection/virus.

But none the less is very sad story. But it is rare for Children to die of covid.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,480
Sick Boy said:
Until it’s tackled on a global level then it’s going to continue. At the moment the west is looking too inwardly on the situation and there’s even predictions on here about the pandemic coming to an end based on the situation in the UK, I’m sure I saw that the world’s percentage who have access to vaccines is in single figures.
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This situation is the reason why the insular looking approach fails. It doesn't matter how good you are doing if other places become variant factories due to the lack of vaccines they have available.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,481
Nick said:
It's hardly claiming to be an expert though, is it? It's fact.
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It’s a fact based on the data so far…. Which is small and limited.

I genuinely don’t understand why you are getting so agitated about this at this stage. If the figures are still the same in a month then I do understand.
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,482
BackRoomRummermill said:
Ok looking at Italy today and the rapid spread could this now mess up the season

Serie A games off in Italy

Any thoughts ? It may happen in fact more likely than not
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Fuck me. Looked back to post 1 of this.

Little did we know hey
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,483
Ian1779 said:
It’s a fact based on the data so far…. Which is small and limited.

I genuinely don’t understand why you are getting so agitated about this at this stage. If the figures are still the same in a month then I do understand.
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Agitated that people are clearly bullshitting? If they are the facts in a month then they will be the facts either way whether not much has changed or the world has ended.

Again, not claiming to be an expert.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,484
Nick said:
Agitated that people are clearly bullshitting? If they are the facts in a month then they will be the facts either way whether not much has changed or the world has ended.

Again, not claiming to be an expert.
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There is always bullshit regardless - but if the numbers of deaths has skyrocketed in a month then maybe it’s a bit justified. If it’s still minimal then your assertions are valid - expert or not.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,485
jordan210 said:
This story has been recycled as was back in October Two pupils at a Newcastle-under-Lyme school die during half-term

Also unfortunately one of the children is obese what plays a massive part in fighting any infection/virus.

But none the less is very sad story. But it is rare for Children to die of covid.
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Ok on the date i only seen recently, but still them two kids would likely be alive if it wasn't for covid, i caught covid at 21 stone i was perfectly fine, i also caught covid in august at 17 stone and was kicked in the ass. (covid in aigust confirmed via antibody strength and it was guess work)
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,486
Nick said:
Pretty sure the 450 that will have died from cancer yesterday outweigh the 1 that died with omicron. Still, let's cancel appointments.

I'm just pointing out facts. Yes, if I have 2 jabs I can still catch it and pass it on. So can people who have had boosters.

In fact if I am then taking tests before going to football matches etc I am going to be less likely than people who have had boosters who would have no clue if they have it or not.
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Youre right with the spreading ect but if you was to catch it vs me or any other person vaccinated you will be the one likely in a hospital begging for the nhs to save your life.
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,487
Ian1779 said:
There is always bullshit regardless - but if the numbers of deaths has skyrocketed in a month then maybe it’s a bit justified. If it’s still minimal then your assertions are valid - expert or not.
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This it, they are worried about it's transmissibility which means that in a month relatively small figures can become much much larger
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,488
Who here genuinely believes there will be another lockdown.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,489
Ian1779 said:
There is always bullshit regardless - but if the numbers of deaths has skyrocketed in a month then maybe it’s a bit justified. If it’s still minimal then your assertions are valid - expert or not.
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But you were trying to make out I claimed to be an expert for pointing out the media bullshit?

My assertions are based on now.

Should it be ok to scare monger saying something has happened because it might happen in the future?
 

Nick

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,490
Kieranp96 said:
Youre right with the spreading ect but if you was to catch it vs me or any other person vaccinated you will be the one likely in a hospital begging for the nhs to save your life.
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So you are now saying I am less likely to spread it if I am tested often so it's then on the very very small risk that the latest variant is going to put my life at risk?

Personal risk wise, I am more likely to be calling on the NHS to help sort my cancer. (If I can get in)

So which is it? If I don't have a booster I am selfish for spreading it and killing others or if I don't have a booster I am selfish because I am going to need the NHS to save my life from Omicron / COVID?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,491
Ccfcisparks said:
Who here genuinely believes there will be another lockdown.
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No unless the severity of illness caused by this variant is considerably higher than initial findings suggest
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,492
Nick said:
So you are now saying I am less likely to spread it if I am tested often so it's then on the very very small risk that the latest variant is going to put my life at risk?

Personal risk wise, I am more likely to be calling on the NHS to help sort my cancer. (If I can get in)

So which is it? If I don't have a booster I am selfish for spreading it and killing others or if I don't have a booster I am selfish because I am going to need the NHS to save my life from Omicron / COVID?
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Cancer vs covid is a stupid argument, one you can take precautions tge other is a gene mutation
 

Nick

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,493
Kieranp96 said:
Cancer vs covid is a stupid argument, one you can take precautions tge other is a gene mutation
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I just said I am more likely to need the NHS for Cancer.

Which is it? If I don't get the booster am I selfish for spreading it or selfish because I might need the NHS to save my life from COVID?

After all, if I go into the game on Saturday double jabbed and a negative result who is more likely to spread it out of me and somebody with the Booster who hasn't been tested?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,494
Ccfcisparks said:
Who here genuinely believes there will be another lockdown.
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Depends on how transmissible it actually is. As someone showed on here it can be far less severe that previous variants but if the transmission is large enough you will end up with more people in hospital.

That is the fear with this variant at the moment.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,495
That scared the red lists have been scrapped.
 
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