Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The UK was one of the hardest hit in the first wave.
The UK was one of the hardest hit in the first wave.The countries that got his the hardest in the first wave have a greater natural immunity going forward. So add on to that a successful vaccine program and it makes things even better
Science is wonderful.
I'm talking specifically about hospitalisation from covid in this instance.The key thing is, how many are seriously ill BECAUSE of Omicron and how many die BECAUSE of Omicron.
The UK was one of the hardest hit in the first wave.
To be honest I find the situation in Italy much better compared to the UK.
I'm talking specifically about hospitalisation from covid in this instance.
If you take 100 people and variant A infects say 10 people with 1 hospitalised but variant b infects 50 people with 2 hospitalised it could be said to be milder but because its more infectious that equates to twice as many people being hospitalised.
Obviously completely made up numbers but you get the idea, it can be milder but lead to an increase in the number of people ending up in hospital, doesn't have to be one or the other.
I'm talking specifically about hospitalisation from covid in this instance.
If you take 100 people and variant A infects say 10 people with 1 hospitalised but variant b infects 50 people with 2 hospitalised it could be said to be milder but because its more infectious that equates to twice as many people being hospitalised.
Obviously completely made up numbers but you get the idea, it can be milder but lead to an increase in the number of people ending up in hospital, doesn't have to be one or the other.
I don't normally reply on this one, but reading things the last few days I felt I needed too. I'm fully vaccinated 60 year old with booster and will do what I can for the country regarding wfh, face masks etc, but what I can't get my head round is the panic in the nation.
The figures quoted that can mean anything to anyone are
1 death (died from/died of)
10 in hospital
200,000 cases
Add to that and the words coming out from SA at the moment from doctors and experts that this variant is mild and after only several weeks they are seeing a decline in cases.
What I want to know is why no-one can tell me the following instead of just making up headline quotes, so I can have a better understanding and make my mind up on where I stand on all this.
A) the 1 death, vaccinated or unvaccinated, young or old, underlying conditions or not
B) the 10 in hospital, the same as A
Sorry if a lot of ramblings, but when every day we are being leaked out stories that we could have more severe restrictions over xmas etc, I look at the current figures and wonder why
I think he was more refering to the fact that all of a sudden a 3rd booster is required, even for young heatlhy adults still overflowing with antibodies from the very recent 1st & 2nd jabs to protect us from a milder strain of covid from whcih most of the population are already vaccinated.....
I don't normally reply on this one, but reading things the last few days I felt I needed too. I'm fully vaccinated 60 year old with booster and will do what I can for the country regarding wfh, face masks etc, but what I can't get my head round is the panic in the nation.
The figures quoted that can mean anything to anyone are
1 death (died from/died of)
10 in hospital
200,000 cases
Add to that and the words coming out from SA at the moment from doctors and experts that this variant is mild and after only several weeks they are seeing a decline in cases.
What I want to know is why no-one can tell me the following instead of just making up headline quotes, so I can have a better understanding and make my mind up on where I stand on all this.
A) the 1 death, vaccinated or unvaccinated, young or old, underlying conditions or not
B) the 10 in hospital, the same as A
Sorry if a lot of ramblings, but when every day we are being leaked out stories that we could have more severe restrictions over xmas etc, I look at the current figures and wonder why
What does 30% even mean?So
Any thoughts on Omicron being 30% milder than the initial virus of which the vast vast majority of us are protected from?
Seems to have been swerved
You've got Dominic Raab doing the rounds saying 250 in hospital, then 9, then 10, so they are quoting figures, just not getting things right, I wish they wouldn't release anything until everyone was on the same pageI don't believe the Gov have announced any of this information.
What does 30% even mean?
You've got Dominic Raab doing the rounds saying 250 in hospital, then 9, then 10, so they are quoting figures, just not getting things right, I wish they wouldn't release anything until everyone was on the same page
How do you know he/she wasn't admitted for covid symptoms and then got tested? See how your argument js flawed?The point is, nobody has died from it. Yet again this morning there's been incorrect information sent to people as headline news.
Pretty obvious really.
Raab has himself said on Live TV
"1 death FROM Omicron"
It's as if they don't really have a clue themselves.
How do you know he/she wasn't admitted for covid symptoms and then got tested? See how your argument js flawed?
So, here's a straight question or two:
What makes you believe that this is all bullshit, that Omicron doesn't represent a threat that merits a response?
Does it upset you having to be vaccinated, boosted, or wear a mask?
I remember Nick wasn't happy at all with lockdown, the closures of pubs and gyms and kept on going on about 'why are supermarkets open?'.
So I think it's he doesn't like to be cut off from people and has become a little bit paranoid about another lockdown and so see's everything in a slightly conspiratorial way of trying to get people stuck inside again. If he points this out early it won't get as far as the restrictions he fears the most.
To be fair, he has a small point because the media does like to sensationalise and can be misleading because it sells papers and gets clicks.
A lot of what it comes down to is a lack of control over the situation and needing to find hidden intentions/conspiracies in everything.I remember Nick wasn't happy at all with lockdown, the closures of pubs and gyms and kept on going on about 'why are supermarkets open?'.
So I think it's he doesn't like to be cut off from people and has become a little bit paranoid about another lockdown and so see's everything in a slightly conspiratorial way of trying to get people stuck inside again. If he points this out early it won't get as far as the restrictions he fears the most.
To be fair, he has a small point because the media does like to sensationalise and can be misleading because it sells papers and gets clicks.
A lot of what it comes down to is a lack of control over the situation and needing to find hidden intentions/conspiracies in everything.
That being said, the current UK rules are pretty nonsensical.
I’m not talking about you specifically.What have I said that's a conspiracy, though?
If half the shit that has gone already on was suggested beforehand it would have been a "conspiracy".
I’m not talking about you specifically.
So they went in with bad covid symptons, tested positive and then died "with" omicron and not from it?
There is no conspiracy involved, I am just pointing out facts. Over the whole Omicron thing there has been clear spin and misleading, it isn't paranoid to point that out.
Don't try to patronise.
Lockdown? Do you think many people would abide by it again?
If they had bad covid symptoms how do you know they didn't die from it? If they were bad enough to be hospitalised there's a chance they did.
I'm not saying that's the case, just that the argument stacks up just as well as the one you're saying
I'm just pointing out that it was cleverly worded as "with".
If somebody had gone in there and died of severe Omicron there would have been even more fear whipped up.
Didn't mean to patronise and if that's how you took it I apologise.
As for lockdown, of course I think much fewer people would abide by it than before, partly because of how much they hated it last time and they might be feeling this will never end, and partly because of the antics of the government in ignoring their own rules last time.
I do think this take is partly a misunderstanding of how easy it is to assess cause of death and how Covid seems to work in that it exacerbates existing conditions.
It’s not a straightforward science in most cases to say what someone died from. Take someone who has a disease that makes them unstable on their feet and the trip and fall and die. Did the fall kill them or the disease? Same with an illness that exacerbates existing conditions. Not every Covid death is from breathing problems, some are just that it was the straw that broke the camels back.
On the guy having a Twitter meltdown, it’s standard sloppy reporting not fake news like he claims and he jumps around from cases to hospitalisations to ICU to “the most intensive care”. The numbers for “most intensive care” are over 90% unvaccinated. ICU was 75% ish and now down I think, hospitalisations are 36%.
Basically all sides are picking stats and arguing about different stats and none of it is comparable.
Would be interesting to see if the same metric was applied to people who die "with" obesity and other things in the UK.
Or indeed alcohol. Difference is we don’t have a vaccine for eating (unluckily for me) and fatties aren’t clogging the NHS while we wait for them to die.
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