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Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,391
So we're all at panic stations for something that's 30% less severe than what we're all at least double jabbed against.


this reaction at the minute stinks

 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,392
jordan210 said:
The MSM/Gov have managed to engineer that anyone who doesn't follow the narrative is an Anti-vaxer and play people off against each other. All very clever.

Soon boosted people will be used to turn against 2 jabbed people and class them as unvaccinated.
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What is not following the narrative? Not being able to process that there’s a global pandemic that has killed millions of people?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,393
jordan210 said:
The MSM/Gov have managed to engineer that anyone who doesn't follow the narrative is an Anti-vaxer and play people off against each other. All very clever.

Soon boosted people will be used to turn against 2 jabbed people and class them as unvaccinated.
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You only have to look at this thread and others. On another thread somebody saying that people should give up their freedom if they aren't fully vaccinated.

As I said before, it really does remind me of the stuff closer to home with SISU / Council / Wasps. While every fucker was arguing about irrelevant things like if Joy was taking 100m a year (don't get me wrong, me included) it meant they weren't questioned about actual facts and going on.

What parties did Boris have though?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,394
Sick Boy said:
What is not following the narrative? Not being able to process that there’s a global pandemic that has killed millions of people?
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I think he was more refering to the fact that all of a sudden a 3rd booster is required, even for young heatlhy adults still overflowing with antibodies from the very recent 1st & 2nd jabs to protect us from a milder strain of covid from whcih most of the population are already vaccinated.....
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,395
Sick Boy said:
What is not following the narrative? Not being able to process that there’s a global pandemic that has killed millions of people?
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The MSM narrative is fear. Fear sells. feel good stories to not make front page news. Do you remember when deaths and cases dropped that dint make front page news

Lets look at yesterday. papers pushing news that we need to close pubs and hospitality again.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,396
jordan210 said:
The MSM narrative is fear. Fear sells. feel good stories to not make front page news.
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And nothing to do with the millions around the world who’ve died over the last 18 months.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,397
jordan210 said:
The MSM narrative is fear. Fear sells. feel good stories to not make front page news. Do you remember when deaths and cases dropped that dint make front page news

Lets look at yesterday. papers pushing news that we need to close pubs and hospitality again.
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Piers Morgan Special.
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,398
Only yesterday the Australian prime minister referred to his countrymen as sheep.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,399
Sick Boy said:
And nothing to do with the millions around the world who’ve died over the last 18 months.
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Doesn't excuse things being made up or purposely misleading though does it?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,400
Nick said:
I posted examples in this very thread yesterday as it was obvious that's how it would be spun.

You can't see things you don't want to. It's very strange.
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As far as I can see you posted two.

One of which was the DM. The other was an unnamed source.

As I said, every semi decent source says died with, not of
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,401
Sick Boy said:
And nothing to do with the millions around the world who’ve died over the last 18 months.
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So that gives media and gov figures the OK to lie ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,402
jordan210 said:
So that gives media and gov figures the OK to lie ?
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Apparently so, there are a couple of people which have justified it in this thread.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,403
PVA said:
As far as I can see you posted two.

One of which was the DM. The other was an unnamed source.

As I said, every semi decent source says died with, not of
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Keep looking on the t'internet at news outlets to see how scary they could spin things.
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,404
jordan210 said:
The MSM narrative is fear. Fear sells. feel good stories to not make front page news. Do you remember when deaths and cases dropped that dint make front page news

Lets look at yesterday. papers pushing news that we need to close pubs and hospitality again.
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Its an engineered crisis, that serves the media only, they put out this shit and then the simpletons panic, empty shelves, more stories and the cycle repeats.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,405
I pointed out the same about the fuel crisis which was whipped up by the media as well.

Only thing with this is that it's amazingly good timing just as there was some pressure on the government.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,406
Nick said:
I pointed out the same about the fuel crisis which was whipped up by the media as well.

Only thing with this is that it's amazingly good timing just as there was some pressure on the government.
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And the toilet roll shortage
 
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Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,407
So

Any thoughts on Omicron being 30% milder than the initial virus of which the vast vast majority of us are protected from?

Seems to have been swerved
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,408
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Very alarming is that.....its going to get increasingly difficult to argue against some of the anti-vax movements by suggesting they're being fed mis-information while all the MSM are pedalling it too.....its quickly becoming a fucking alarmist panic driven farce
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It's been an alarmist panic driven farce the entire time, with anyone questioning it being labelled as a conspiracy theorist.

It isn't anything unreasonable to ask questions regarding things that don't quite add up. I think more people are doing that now.
 

jordan210

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,409
What ever became of the video footage early on from China of people collapsing in the street
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,410
Saddlebrains said:
So

Any thoughts on Omicron being 30% milder than the initial virus of which the vast vast majority of us are protected from?

Seems to have been swerved
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It could* be the beginning of the end of the pandemic.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,411
jordan210 said:
What ever became of the video footage early on from China of people collapsing in the street
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Everything from China has gone silent. That in itself is just creepy. I genuinely have no idea what the situation is there.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,412
Apparently, Twitter will and can ban people for saying Vaccinated people can spread the virus.

It's very strange because of the amount of racism and misinformation on there is shocking.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,413
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Everything from China has gone silent. That in itself is just creepy. I genuinely have no idea what the situation is there.
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Ive thought this. Last i saw they've basically completely eradicated it.

But this is China and we know how they spin things
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,414
Nick said:
Keep looking on the t'internet at news outlets to see how scary they could spin things.
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I don't doubt that there are some outlets spinning it as 'died of Omicron' and not from. The Daily Mail being one, and potentially others too.

What I'm saying is that any half decent media outlet is reporting it correctly. That's the vast majority.

You're actually doing some spin yourself! You've picked out a couple of sources, a very small minority, and spun it as 'the media are lying to us and spinning the narrative!'
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,415
The power of Google is amazing - China faces new COVID outbreak as first Omicron case is reported
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,416
PVA said:
I don't doubt that there are some outlets spinning it as 'died of Omicron' and not from. The Daily Mail being one, and potentially others too.

What I'm saying is that any half decent media outlet is reporting it correctly. That's the vast majority.

You're actually doing some spin yourself! You've picked out a couple of sources, a very small minority, and spun it as 'the media are lying to us and spinning the narrative!'
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I picked out some of the main ones in the UK. They will spin it with headlines and bury in small print in paragraph 72 that it was "with".

Now it's gone from:

They have reported this one Omicron death in the same way that all Covid deaths are reported which is 'deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test'. They never say died of Covid.

I can't read what I can't see. I haven't seen any that say that.
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to

What I'm saying is that any half decent media outlet is reporting it correctly
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So it's gone from none to half decent... Nice Swerve.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,417
It will be interesting to see the spread, America reported yesterday that 80% of cases were vaccinated and a third of that boosted.

How is a vaccine pass going to make much difference IF that trend carries on?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,418
Saddlebrains said:
So we're all at panic stations for something that's 30% less severe than what we're all at least double jabbed against.


this reaction at the minute stinks

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Which was milder than delta too ? The original varient that is ? Or is that not correct
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,419
Raab has himself said on Live TV

"1 death FROM Omicron"

It's as if they don't really have a clue themselves.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,420
Nick said:
It will be interesting to see the spread, America reported yesterday that 80% of cases were vaccinated and a third of that boosted.

How is a vaccine pass going to make much difference IF that trend carries on?
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Looking at France.....I'd say they'll probably make jack shit of difference....
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,421
Saddlebrains said:
Any thoughts on Omicron being 30% milder than the initial virus of which the vast vast majority of us are protected from?

Seems to have been swerved
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The issue I've seen mentioned by people who seem to check out as knowing what they are on about and not people trying to whip up a frenzy is that the increased transmission more than offsets the reduced severity. That potentially means that overall the number of hospitalisations increases.
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,422
If there's 100 people and 95 have the jab , and 12 go into hospital there more vaccinated in hospital .. that will always be the case because of the sheer volume of people vaccinated .. it's deaths isn't it that's important ..

It's besides the point though , I definitely think we have been whipped into meltdown over this varient and its not on really , knowing full well its far less severe
 
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Nick

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,423
chiefdave said:
The issue I've seen mentioned by people who seem to check out as knowing what they are on about and not people trying to whip up a frenzy is that the increased transmission more than offsets the reduced severity. That potentially means that overall the number of hospitalisations increases.
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Shit loads of people going into hospital every day
If more people get infected with something they have no clue they have and then find out on entry to hospital, it's likely that there will be more people in hospital with it

All depends how figures want to be spun and how vague they are. It's common sense.

The key thing is, how many are seriously ill BECAUSE of Omicron and how many die BECAUSE of Omicron.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,424
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Looking at France.....I'd say they'll probably make jack shit of difference....
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To be honest I find the situation in Italy much better compared to the UK.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,425
Sick Boy said:
To be honest I find the situation in Italy much better compared to the UK.
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The countries that got his the hardest in the first wave have a greater natural immunity going forward. So add on to that a successful vaccine program and it makes things even better

Science is wonderful.
 
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