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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,356
PVA said:
Javid says there are 200k people getting infected by Omicron in this country every day?

That can't be right
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Surely not. I know exponential growth can accelerate numbers quickly… but if that’s accurate already then we are in the shit big time, and there is a fuck load of infections going undetected.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,357
PVA said:
Javid says there are 200k people getting infected by Omicron in this country every day?

That can't be right
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This surely has to be some serious guesswork?
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,358
jordan210 said:
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We know covid doesn't realy effect the younger generation so jabbing and boosting an 18-30's isn't going to help this. It's a massive waste of NHS time and money. That could be spend on capacity.
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Tell that to the two 15 year olds that died a week apart from each other both same school, yes younger maybe healthier but dont mean they're not dying.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,359
PVA said:
Javid says there are 200k people getting infected by Omicron in this country every day?

That can't be right
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No, think somebody has made an arse of that, maybe 200k cumulative infections to date
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,360
fernandopartridge said:
No, think somebody has made an arse of that, maybe 200k cumulative infections to date
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I reckon its guesswork. The ONS do figures for what they think is the level of infection is the UK, looks like the last figures were 891,500. Have they tried to work something up from there based on how much more transmissible it is and percentage of positive tests that are the new variant?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,361
fernandopartridge said:
No, think somebody has made an arse of that, maybe 200k cumulative infections to date
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He said it in the commons earlier and there was confusion and it was assumed a mistake was made, like you say.

But they appear to have confirmed it this evening.

'based on modelling', but still...

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,362
If it really is that many a day then it must have a very high asymptomatic rate compared to the other variants.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,363
I guess we'll know with the next set of numbers from the ONS .
Last figures were 1:60

Maybe it would be handy to have the old rate per 100k published for each area again,compare like for like historical data.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,364
Shock, the person who died tested for Omicron while in hospital.

Still, let's get everybody petrified because of selective wording and media who can't wait to scare everybody.

Raab on TV bullshitting too, even though it's confirmed to be wrong it's still headline news.

 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,365
Nick said:
Shock, the person who died tested for Omicron while in hospital.

Still, let's get everybody petrified because of selective wording and media who can't wait to scare everybody.

Raab on TV bullshitting too.
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No one is petrified but you'd have to be stupid to think that the variant has next to no chance of killing people.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,366
Nick said:
Shock, the person who died tested for Omicron while in hospital.

Still, let's get everybody petrified because of selective wording and media who can't wait to scare everybody.

Raab on TV bullshitting too, even though it's confirmed to be wrong it's still headline news.

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It's been the same for the other variants. What is your actual point?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,367
Nick said:
Shock, the person who died tested for Omicron while in hospital.

Still, let's get everybody petrified because of selective wording and media who can't wait to scare everybody.

Raab on TV bullshitting too, even though it's confirmed to be wrong it's still headline news.

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So they had Omicron then.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,368
Skybluefaz said:
It's been the same for the other variants. What is your actual point?
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The point is, nobody has died from it. Yet again this morning there's been incorrect information sent to people as headline news.

Pretty obvious really.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,369
Ian1779 said:
So they had Omicron then.
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They could have had a multitude of things they also didn't die from.

Fucking hell. It's laughable.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,370
Nick said:
The point is, nobody has died from it. Yet again this morning there's been incorrect information sent to people as headline news.

Pretty obvious really.
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So you want the goalposts moved then to make you feel better. Cheers, got you now.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,371
Skybluefaz said:
So you want the goalposts moved then to make you feel better. Cheers, got you now.
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No, just actual facts and information rather than just cleverly worded things and letting the media run with it.

It's almost as if some people have their fingers crossed for it.

There are currently 10 people in hospital with the Omicron variant of COVID - not 250, as Dominic Raab told Sky News.

The deputy prime minister later told the BBC that there were nine people in hospital with the variant.

But officials have clarified that Mr Raab "misspoke" on both occasions by getting his figures wrong and that there are currently 10 people in hospital with Omicron.
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"Yeah but there probably will be 250 at some point so it's fine" is the logic some have on here.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,372
Nick said:
No, just actual facts and information rather than just cleverly worded things and letting the media run with it.

It's almost as if some people have their fingers crossed for it.
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I don’t think anyone’s keeping their fingers crossed for it Nick. This is a new shitstorm for everyone to varying degrees

I do agree about the need for government and media to be transparent and factual though. Like when hospitalisations were mentioned yesterday’s between 18-85 years old...that’s handy ! Were they hospitalised due to variant or already in hospital ? Had they been vaccinated and/or even boostered ?! These are really important questions/answers for when people are making decisions on going about their daily lives

Hopefully better info and data will come out later this week
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,373
CCFCSteve said:
I don’t think anyone’s keeping their fingers crossed for it Nick. This is a new shitstorm for everyone to varying degrees

I do agree about the need for government and media to be transparent and factual though. Like when hospitalisations were mentioned yesterday’s between 18-85 years old...that’s handy ! Were they hospitalised due to variant or already in hospital ? Had they been vaccinated and/or even boostered ?! These are really important questions/answers for when people are making decisions on going about their daily lives

Hopefully better info and data will come out later this week
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They are very vague for a reason.

I think I saw that they were found to be positive in Hospital and mostly vaccinated.

Stuff like that doesn't make headlines to get everybody scared and backing covid passports though does it?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,374
Nick said:
The point is, nobody has died from it. Yet again this morning there's been incorrect information sent to people as headline news.

Pretty obvious really.
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It'd be fucking stupid to not be cautious considering the lesson learnt so far just because no one has died from it, yet.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,375
Sick Boy said:
It'd be fucking stupid to not be cautious considering the lesson learnt so far just because no one has died from it, yet.
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Being Cautious isn't my issue though, completely misleading is. It's very intentional as well.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,376
Nick said:
They could have had a multitude of things they also didn't die from.

Fucking hell. It's laughable.
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,377
Ian1779 said:
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It's hardly claiming to be an expert though, is it? It's fact.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,378
Great thread on the miss information that is pushes on TV

 
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jordan210

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  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,379
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,380
I'm not sure why you're getting yourself in such a tizz, Nick.

They have reported this one Omicron death in the same way that all Covid deaths are reported which is 'deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test'. They never say died of Covid.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,381
"Yeah but it's better to mislead to scare people so they get a vaccine".
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,382
PVA said:
I'm not sure why you're getting yourself in such a tizz, Nick.

They have reported this one Omicron death in the same way that all Covid deaths are reported which is 'deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test'. They never say died of Covid.
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To be fair to Nick. Some of the papers did put it down as death FROM not with.

Bit like Rabb today saying 250 patients in hospital with it then being correct that its 9 and Javid yesterday. Im sure its just harmless miss quoting figures.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,383
PVA said:
They never say died of Covid.
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You sure?

It's amazing how the hardcore political posters on here forget how to read sometimes, baffles me. It's what happens when people have a political bias.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,384
jordan210 said:
To be fair to Nick. Some of the papers did put it down as death FROM not with.
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Of course they did, literally within 2 or 3 hours it was headline news that somebody had died from it.

I posted them in this very thread. People have selective reading though and can't see the difference.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,385
Nick said:
You sure?

It's amazing how the hardcore political posters on here forget how to read sometimes, baffles me. It's what happens when people have a political bias.
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I can't read what I can't see.

I haven't seen any that say that.

I've just googled 'Omicron death' and clicked on 4 or 5 stories and all said 'died with Omicron'.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,386
Oh shock. Just saw the Daily Mail said 'died of Omicron.'

Don't complain about misleading headlines if you're quoting the DM!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,387
PVA said:
I can't read what I can't see.

I haven't seen any that say that.

I've just googled 'Omicron death' and clicked on 4 or 5 stories and all said 'died with Omicron'.
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I posted examples in this very thread yesterday as it was obvious that's how it would be spun.

You can't see things you don't want to. It's very strange.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,388
PVA said:
Oh shock. Just saw the Daily Mail said 'died of Omicron.'

Don't complain about misleading headlines if you're quoting the DM!
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It wasn't just them, was it?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,389
jordan210 said:
Great thread on the miss information that is pushes on TV
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Very alarming is that.....its going to get increasingly difficult to argue against some of the anti-vax movements by suggesting they're being fed mis-information while all the MSM are pedalling it too.....its quickly becoming a fucking alarmist panic driven farce
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2021
  • #54,390
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Very alarming is that.....its going to get increasingly difficult to argue against some of the anti-vax movements by suggesting they're being fed mis-information while all the MSM are pedalling it too.....its quickly becoming a fucking alarmist panic driven farce
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The MSM/Gov have managed to engineer that anyone who doesn't follow the narrative is an Anti-vaxer and play people off against each other. All very clever.

Soon boosted people will be used to turn against 2 jabbed people and class them as unvaccinated.
 
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