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jordan210

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,286
Nick said:
I have no doubt that some individuals will benefit financially from it all. Far from all of them.

I however think this latest thing is down to distraction from their own nonsense.

I'm sure Matt Hancock and the other MPs just did their dodgy deals out of the kindness of their heart though.
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Some "scientists" have done very well out of all the doom mongering TV appearances they get, Esp the ones with books out now
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,287
jordan210 said:
Some "scientists" have done very well out of all the doom mongering TV appearances they get, Esp the ones with books out now
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,288
duffer said:
OK, you've got me interested. What was Chise saying?
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I believe the reference was to the vaccines working against delta in India

 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,289
duffer said:
OK, you've got me interested. What was Chise saying?
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I like them


 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,290
Nick said:
I have no doubt that some individuals will benefit financially from it all. Far from all of them.

I however think this latest thing is down to distraction from their own nonsense.

I'm sure Matt Hancock and the other MPs just did their dodgy deals out of the kindness of their heart though.
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Mate, again, I reckon I can beat you easily in a who hates the Boris the most competition.

Are you saying though that this is all about the government and the scientists are in on this political conspiracy too?

If so, without wanting to get into a(nother) row, there are plenty of other places also concerned about this new variant. How does that stack up, are they all wrong?
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,291
Deleted member 5849 said:
I like them


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Chise is a very good follow. Has no politics, Just a shite ton of data and knowledge.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,292
duffer said:
Mate, again, I reckon I can beat you easily in a who hates the Boris the most competition.

Are you saying though that this is all about the government and the scientists are in on this political conspiracy too?

If so, without wanting to get into a(nother) row, there are plenty of other places also concerned about this new variant. How does that stack up, are they all wrong?
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Again, who has said it's all a massive conspiracy? I'm by no means saying it's made up and people want to put Microships in us.

It's not a conspiracy to point out who particular people (the media, doom mongers, MPs with fingers in pies) benefit from the bad news and get your vaccine now.

Again, if somebody had said Matt Hancock's buddy was involved with a random PPE contract awarded it would have been "a conspiracy".

Christ, you get labelled as "conspiracy" for pointing out that it was said somebody died WITH this variant and not FROM it.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,293
jordan210 said:
Chise is a very good follow. Has no politics, Just a shite ton of data and knowledge.
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My inital response, btw, was that not having a Doctorate can indeed be a valid reason to shut people down. I, for example, have a doctorate, but you should be afraid, very afraid, if I'm ever in a position to advise government on medical policy and strategy(!)

In this instance, however, working for Moderna changes things somewhat, as does having a hand in developing their vaccine...

As ever, it's consensus that's the main thing to look for however. In this instance, serendipity says they back up what I said earlier about there still being a certain protection against serious disease after two jabs so, in that respect, they're very wise indeed...
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,294
Nick said:
Again, if it was suggested a couple of years back that MPs and senior figures would have their fingers in the PPE pie it would have been thrown away as conspiracy.
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This is true tbf
 

duffer

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,295
jordan210 said:
Chise is a very good follow. Has no politics, Just a shite ton of data and knowledge.
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Right. But he seems to be arguing in favour of vaccination here, or have I misunderstood?

Mostly the complaint I hear is that the science against vaccination is somehow being suppressed, but when you dig into that there isn't much evidence. This looks more like a spat than some sort of conspiracy. Or am I missing something?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,296
People were also being called conspiracy theorists for suggesting a long time ago they'd have covid passes etc and would treat unvaccinated differently ... way before it began to happen.

Not arsed anyway , il get my jab so I can carry on as normal until the next one atleast

I'm gradually tiring of the whole thing tbh
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,297
Evo1883 said:
This is true tbf
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There have been many such occurrences to be honest. I take nothing for granted now.
 

duffer

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,298
Nick said:
Again, who has said it's all a massive conspiracy? I'm by no means saying it's made up and people want to put Microships in us.

It's not a conspiracy to point out who particular people (the media, doom mongers, MPs with fingers in pies) benefit from the bad news and get your vaccine now.

Again, if somebody had said Matt Hancock's buddy was involved with a random PPE contract awarded it would have been "a conspiracy".

Christ, you get labelled as "conspiracy" for pointing out that it was said somebody died WITH this variant and not FROM it.
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No mate, what I'm saying is that it isn't helpful to suggest that it's all some kind of myth driven by the media and government.

That just gives oxygen to the lunatics spouting the anti-vax rubbish, and the selfish who can justify all of their other crap behaviour.

That seemed to be where you were going with this, which seemed odd.

However pure the government's motives were in their timing, would anyone dispute that we'd all benefit from more people getting vaccinated and maybe being a bit more careful?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,299
Also a few wealthy famous people very happy with the timing of omicron .. coinciding with the maxwell (epstein) trial ... I joke ... or do I
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,300
duffer said:
No mate, what I'm saying is that it isn't helpful to suggest that it's all some kind of myth driven by the media and government.

That just gives oxygen to the lunatics spouting the anti-vax rubbish, and the selfish who can justify all of their other crap behaviour.

That seemed to be where you were going with this, which seemed odd.

However pure the government's motives were in their timing, would anyone dispute that we'd all benefit from more people getting vaccinated and maybe being a bit more careful?
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I have never said it's a myth either.

I pointed out earlier that the media were spinning things and showed exactly how they were. Now look exactly how it is being pushed. It is scare mongering.

Let's not pretend the media don't spin, exaggerate and spread fear for their own gain.
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,301
Nick said:
I have never said it's a myth either.

I pointed out earlier that the media were spinning things and showed exactly how they were. Now look exactly how it is being pushed. It is scare mongering.

Let's not pretend the media don't spin, exaggerate and spread fear for their own gain.
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They certainly want to sell papers and get clicks, but then if there's a substantial proportion of the population resistant to vaccination and/or masks in the face of all of the evidence, then maybe a little fear isn't misplaced.

Is that scare-mongering, I don't know.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,302
duffer said:
They certainly want to sell papers and get clicks, but then if there's a substantial proportion of the population resistant to vaccination and/or masks in the face of all of the evidence, then maybe a little fear isn't misplaced.

Is that scare-mongering, I don't know.
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I honestly get more worried by people on this thread than I do media reports!
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,303
clint van damme said:
remember when you said more people die in car accidents that of covid?!!
You're a fucking idiot.
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It wasn’t that long ago that he was denying its existence
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,304
duffer said:
They certainly want to sell papers and get clicks, but then if there's a substantial proportion of the population resistant to vaccination and/or masks in the face of all of the evidence, then maybe a little fear isn't misplaced.

Is that scare-mongering, I don't know.
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Maybe we can test people who die with an STD to get people to force people to use condoms?

Of course it's scare mongering. It is straight up misinformation.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,305
Deleted member 5849 said:
I honestly get more worried by people on this thread than I do media reports!
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Bit strange, especially as you posted up an article that said somebody died with it to try and show how dangerous it was.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,306
Nick said:
Bit strange
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Not really, the thread's getting populated with stupid, paranoid loons who show no consideration for other people. You, meanwhile, are on a black and white crusade and will continue to wilfully misinterpret. It's pointless responding to you because you'll bang on and on and on until you've worn me down, so this is it.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,307
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not really, the threads getting populated with stupid, paranoid loons who show no consideration for other people. You, meanwhile, are on a black and white crusade and will continue to wilfully misinterpret. It's pointless responding to you because you'll bang on and on and on until you've worn me down, so this is it.
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It isn't me misinterpreting though? You took something that said somebody died with Omicron and turned that into proof of how dangerous it is without anything to actually say it caused them to die.

I think the constant desperation to be scared is wearing you down more than anything.

As I said, it looks like it works both ways with extremes at either end of the scale. Some won't be leaving the house and others will be spitting into each others mouths on Tiktok to show how COVID isn't a thing.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,308
Nick said:
It isn't me misinterpreting though? You took something that said somebody died with Omicron and turned that into proof of how dangerous it is.
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No I didn't you fucking idiot.

I think the constant desperation to be scared is wearing you down more than anything.
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c**t.
 
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Nick

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,309
Deleted member 5849 said:
No I didn't you fucking idiot.


c**t.
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Erm, you quite clearly did. You posted it with a quote in bold to try and prove a point.

You seem fine with throwing insults around and telling everybody they are paranoid, crazy or stupid.

Shouting Conspiracy for pointing out the wording designed to mislead... Which it has done.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,310
Nick said:
Erm, you quite clearly did.

You seem fine with throwing insults around and telling everybody they are paranoid, crazy or stupid.
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Do you know, you prove my point entirely.

Where did I say everybody? I'll even namecheeck, jordan is quite clearly dubious, but has presented things in a thoroughly decent manner, no whining, asking questions, listening to resonses and, I'd like to think we've met in a middle ground somewhere. Others, however... are downright dangerous.

But let's bang on and on and on until you can prove yourself right by wearing other people down.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,311
Deleted member 5849 said:
Do you know, you prove my point entirely.

Where did I say everybody? But let's bang on and on and on until you can prove yourself right by wearing other people down.
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I don't need to wear you down? You do that yourself.

It's there in the thread, you are the one misinterpreting things, you seem as paranoid as Baldy but just at the opposite end of things. You seem to be OK throwing insults around at people but will have to get ROS / COV or whoever he is this week to jump on the thread for you.

You haven't disproved what I have said about the misleading article / media spin have you?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,312
QPR
Now Man Utd

Can see football being affected again unfortunately
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,313
Sky Blue Pete said:
QPR
Now Man Utd

Can see football being affected again unfortunately
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Everything will be affected pretty much.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,314
UK Health Security Agency has said there's 10 people in hospital with the variant. Aged between 18 and 85 and they are spread around the country, "diagnosed with Omicron on or before admission". Most were double jabbed.
Hospitalisations always lag a few weeks behind infections, therefore it isn't surprising that we have started to see people being admitted to hospital with the Omicron variant. Our data shows that getting the booster vaccine is more effective against this variant than two doses alone. Everyone over 18 is now able to walk into a vaccination centre so do not hesitate to get yours.
Dr Susan Hopkins
Chief medical adviser UKHSA
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,315
It doesn't actually say that they have gone to hospital because of Omicron though.

That's the stat they should be announcing. Have all 10 gone in with severe breathing difficulties because of it or something unrelated but tested positive for it?
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,316
Sky Blue Pete said:
Can see football being affected again unfortunately
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Brighton and Villa both have outbreaks, Villa have cancelled training.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,317
chiefdave said:
Brighton and Villa both have outbreaks, Villa have cancelled training.
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Probably sensible to get ahead of it and decide what’s gonna happen rather than let it just happen
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,318
chiefdave said:
UK Health Security Agency has said there's 10 people in hospital with the variant. Aged between 18 and 85 and they are spread around the country, "diagnosed with Omicron on or before admission". Most were double jabbed.
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but, but, but Baldy from SBT said differently!
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,319
Christmas looks to be effectively cancelled in the Netherlands now. Press conference tomorrow, but restrictions likely to stay until the new year.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 13, 2021
  • #54,320
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Christmas looks to be effectively cancelled in the Netherlands now. Press conference tomorrow, but restrictions likely to stay until the new year.
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Are there many differences to here?
 
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