Skybluefaz
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Can't book a booster. Shambles.
You talk of moving the goalposts, and you're furiously moving the goalposts because the evidence doesn't meet your pre-ordained views.
You talk of moving the goalposts, and you're furiously moving the goalposts because the evidence doesn't meet your pre-ordained views. You talk about 28 days, I respond... and because the answer doesn't fit your narrative, you move the goalposts.
Again, if Covid is the primary or underlying cause of death, of course it should be registered! However, as you were talking about the 28 day figure
Then that is what I'm responding to.
I can accept that they reduce the severity of a covid infection, but at what long term effect to your own immune system?Do you believe that the vaccines work?
I think that will depend on the variant (I do have a bit of time for some of the people suggesting media scaremongering around a new variant, that being said, it's a bit too early to say either way yet!). Another variant could be a good thing / bad thing / anything in-between. A variant with much milder symptoms that is highly transmissible and becomes the dominant strain could be good I think?
We've known about flu for like a 100 years and people still get yearly vaccinations for it, so I don't really understand your logic here?
Good on you for your booster, getting mine on Tuesday, going to have a beer first and make a day of it!
You just suck it all up sunshine.
As I've clearly stated, I'm waiting patiently for the inevitable shit to happen.
The only people living in denial are those stupid enough to have had 2 or more vaccines, who are shitting themselves that there might be a chance that I'm correct, in which case, your fucked.
Either way, sit tight, your in for a fun time!
I can accept that they reduce the severity of a covid infection, but at what long term effect to your own immune system?
This is a new form of vaccine with zero long term trials.
In fact the ling term trials are being done now on the global population, and the results won't be known for between 2 and 5 years.
So you'd be happy with getting the AZ vaccine?I can accept that they reduce the severity of a covid infection, but at what long term effect to your own immune system?
This is a new form of vaccine with zero long term trials.
In fact the ling term trials are being done now on the global population, and the results won't be known for between 2 and 5 years.
I havnt had any vaccine, and as I've recently had covid, I don't see the need for a vaccine as I obviously now have a degree of natural immunity.So you'd be happy with getting the AZ vaccine?
That's completely untrue.They have been through the same clinical trials that any other medicine has. You really have no understanding of this at all
Nice evasion. If your issue is new technology, then you'd have no problem with the AZ vaccine, surely?I havnt had any vaccine, and as I've recently had covid, I don't see the need for a vaccine as I obviously now have a degree of natural immunity.
I'm certainly not worried about the Omicron variant as all reports are suggesting it's considerably weeker than the Delta variant.
Boris Johnson said:One person in the UK has died with the Omicron variant of coronavirus, the prime minister has said.
Boris Johnson said the new variant was also resulting in hospital admissions and the "best thing" people could do was get their booster jab.
Speaking during a visit to a vaccination clinic in west London, he said people should set aside the idea Omicron was a milder version of the virus.
Covid: First UK death recorded with Omicron variant
People should set aside the idea Omicron is a milder variant and get their booster jab, the PM says.www.bbc.co.uk
It's tiresome, tedious, and pretty destructive really to consider that everyone's out to get you.Yeah, "with" it. If it's more infectious and some people don't even know they have it, of course people will die "with it".
Strange how Boris is the voice of truth now.
Stop being a conspiracy crank, eh.
You're spending your time trying to rubbish everything, and acting a bit like a self-centred prick tbh.How is that a conspiracy crank? It quite literally says they died "with it" and not "from it".
The whole with it rather than of it has been the same for the other variants from the start hasn't it?Yeah, "with" it. If it's more infectious and some people don't even know they have it, of course people will die "with it".
Strange how Boris is the voice of truth now.
You're spending your time trying to rubbish everything, and acting a bit like a self-centred prick tbh.
Of course they don't. I still fail to understand what, as it stands, we can't do and what, as it stands, is so hard to do for the sake of other people?Honestly don't think anyone would think Johnson is the voice of truth apart from a few lunatics.
No evasion at all, just the facts as they are.Nice evasion. If your issue is new technology, then you'd have no problem with the AZ vaccine, surely?
So, you'd have had no issue whatsoever in getting thr AZ vaccine, if you hadn't had Covid?No evasion at all, just the facts as they are.
So you can cracking on with what exactly?Be lying if I said I wasn't a little wary about getting a third jab in such a short space of time but booked it anyway so I can crack on. I'm sure the benefits far outweigh the risks.
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I'd certainly be a lot less concerned that's for sure.So, you'd have had no issue whatsoever in getting thr AZ vaccine, if you hadn't had Covid?
That's completely untrue.
But you keep sucking that BS up flower.
Think you're mixing up two sets of figures. The ones you see on the news every day are the 'deaths within 28 days of a positive test' so will include some people who didn't die of covid but with it while excluding some who died of covid but more than 28 days after their test.That's incorrect. If COVID is mentioned on the death certificate it is still counted.
Think you're mixing up two sets of figures. The ones you see on the news every day are the 'deaths within 28 days of a positive test' so will include some people who didn't die of covid but with it while excluding some who died of covid but more than 28 days after their test.
There's then the ONS figures which go off cause of death listed on the death certificate.
We use the first set of figures as the second set take months to come out. Its not perfect but given the sample size is more than good enough to look at trends.
The latest ONS figures, released on 7th December, are the provisional figures for deaths up to 19th November, we can't wait that long for data before making any decisions. We've already got weeks of lag between infection > cases > hospitalisations > deaths.
My surgery has 8 doctors and 2 nurses! Also 2 of my 3 covid jabs have been weekends so nice bit of overtime for the doctors.That's strange, why not just get nurses in on a low wage while they carry on their GP duties? I assume mine were sat at home behind a phone.
You can get the Flu Jab in Tesco for example, surely a GP has better things to be doing?
Guess it depends if they actually want things to change or not. It wouldn't be hard for my surgery to have online booking for appointments rather than making people wait for 40 minutes at 8am trying to get an appointment.My surgery has 8 doctors and 2 nurses! Also 2 of my 3 covid jabs have been weekends so nice bit of overtime for the doctors.
But really its just another thing where covid has highlighted how the system isn't really fit for purpose. Thinks like phone & video appointments should have been an option years ago but we've still got surgeries who don't have the right technologies in place to manage the change nearly 2 years into the pandemic.
IMO we also need to start pushing things down the chain to free up GPs time. Medicine has advanced so much in recent years there's loads of things you should be able to get sorted by popping into a chemist rather than needing a doctors appointment.
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