baldy
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Bet they can’t wait for someone who dies falling off a ladder & breaking their neck so that they can put that he died of corona on the way down like they did with that one bloke
What is it about then? "Hospitalisations" which can just be somebody going in with a broken leg who tests positive for it.
Because I have an 70+ year old mum i'd like not to die mate, that ok with you?
Also lol at you saying no one was in hospital with this new variant and you being quickly made to look the utter fool you are.
So if there have been no deaths from it and it's reported as mild if anything. Why is there being mass panic created?
Look back to a link d'od posted to see the spin.
Yet the South African woman who has been dealing with the variant for a few weeks also says it's very mild.
So what statistic should we be looking for?
Faz the information is already out there, you just need to search for it, you are certainly not going to be presented with it on a plate via main stream media.
Lots of data that conflicts with the official government story gets deleted very quickly, but there's more and more stuff coming on line every day. The thing is, if it was all from no marks, it wouldn't carry any weight. But there are no end of eminent experts expressing concerns.
Again, define hospitalisations? As seen by the article already posted, it should count when people go because of the omitron. Not going anyway and happen to test for it.Well when enough data gets out, compare the % getting secondary infections, hospitalised or killed by it compared to Delta. Something that is half as ‘bad’ but much more transmissible can still cause plenty of hospitalisations from a low % of a very high number of cases. If enough people are given boosters, that latter point becomes redundant. The anti vax crowd is probably the biggest problem on this anyway.
Though we just don’t have the data yet.
Again, define hospitalisations? As seen by the article already posted, it should count when people go because of the omitron. Not going anyway and happen to test for it.
Again, if it's much more infectious then there's no doubt people turning up to hospital may have it. That's not saying they go to hospital because of it.Again, that metric has been used for all the variants that came before. When you have a big enough data set, it allows them to be comparable even including cases like that.
Again, if it's much more infectious then there's no doubt people turning up to hospital may have it. That's not saying they go to hospital because of it.
It's good for scare mongering though.
Yeah but if the next one is much more mild then the stats can and will be spun to make it look just as bad.It was the same with Alpha and Delta.
you were wrong you thick cretinPfffft I don’t feel foolish at all - there wasn’t actually anyone in hospital with it before it came out only today that there was
I certainly don’t feel stupid or foolish just because some of you shriek at me in response like panic stricken old women
Faz the information is already out there, you just need to search for it, you are certainly not going to be presented with it on a plate via main stream media.
Lots of data that conflicts with the official government story gets deleted very quickly, but there's more and more stuff coming on line every day. The thing is, if it was all from no marks, it wouldn't carry any weight. But there are no end of eminent experts expressing concerns.
When the vaccines were released we knew they gave approx 6 months immunity after the second dose. For me that was in August so I have about 2 months left which would've got me through the worst of winter. I understand the booster need for those that had their second jab in May/June as the immunity would've waned but those would be of higher risk than me anywayWhy does it "seem excessive" compared to what?
Or the mediaI've come to the conclusion it's not Covid that makes me anxious... it's people.
Nope, people.Or the media
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When the vaccines were released we knew they gave approx 6 months immunity after the second dose. For me that was in August so I have about 2 months left which would've got me through the worst of winter. I understand the booster need for those that had their second jab in May/June as the immunity would've waned but those would be of the higher risk category anyway
We now have a variant which seems to now need a booster or three jabs to be immune from. What happens next year (e.g. in Spring) when another variant becomes apparent, do we need another jab? Do those that were boosted in September like my Gran need another in March Is this going to be what happens for the rest of time?
We don't do this with flu and whilst it's worse in winter hence the yearly vaccine programme it's still there all year round and mutates like any other virus
I've booked my booster for Friday and doing my bit to ensure we hopefully don't endure any further restrictions which none of us want
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This latest variant stuff has exposed a few on here as genuine twats.I've come to the conclusion it's not Covid that makes me anxious... it's people.
I do have a certain sympathy with the time element. As you suggest, it's probably driven by government not wanting to introduce more restrictions.When the vaccines were released we knew they gave approx 6 months immunity after the second dose. For me that was in August so I have about 2 months left which would've got me through the worst of winter. I understand the booster need for those that had their second jab in May/June as the immunity would've waned but those would be of higher risk than me anyway
We now have a variant which seems to now need a booster or three jabs to be immune from. What happens next year (e.g. in Spring) when another variant becomes apparent, do we need another jab? Do those that were boosted in September like my Gran need another in March Is this going to be what happens for the rest of time?
We don't do this with flu and whilst it's worse in winter hence the yearly vaccine programme it's still there all year round and mutates like any other virus
I've booked my booster for Friday and doing my bit to ensure we hopefully don't endure any further restrictions which none of us want
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I appreciate everything is a pay-off, but I am slightly concerned that GPs appear to be being asked to abandon just about everything else in order to meet a wild booster target set by Johnson. I understand that Covid will inevitably mean medical services are affected elsewhere, but I'm hoping nobody I know gets ill this December!
https://mobile-reuters-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28D39G?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16393856171910&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2Fuk-factcheck-gp-vaccines-idUSKBN28D39GAs I said, GPs were getting a pay rise per jab even before the latest restrictions so it was clear that was being pushed.
People follow the money, don't they? I doubt people will need to be on hold for 40 minutes at 8AM to see if they can get the booster either.
Ah the well made point. Not sure it would be hugely more but absolutelyAgain from the other side, if everybody was tested for flu instead and died within 28 days the flu deaths would shoot up.
Numbers can be manipulated either way.
I wish cancer could be tested for do easily though and so often.
It works the other way of course. A family friend got admitted 12 weeks ago because of Covid. Complications meant they got other ailments after, and it's touch and go whether they survive. If they don't... it's more than 28 days since their positive Covid test. So either way, survive or no, they're a non-death from Covid.Ah the well made point. Not sure it would be hugely more but absolutely
Two of my three were from my own GP, he did my flu jab as well. The other was from another GP at my surgery.It's not the actual GPs doing them anyway
You just suck it all up sunshine.This is just copy paste nonsense isn’t it. Every time you’re debunked you move onto something else-just citing people with titles because you don’t know what you’re on about isn’t the basis of an argument.
Tell us all what the end goal of the conspiracy is.
It works the other way of course. A family friend got admitted 12 weeks ago because of Covid. Complications meant they got other ailments after, and it's touch and go whether they survive. If they don't... it's more than 28 days since their positive Covid test. So either way, survive or no, they're a non-death from Covid.
Two of my three were from my own GP, he did my flu jab as well. The other was from another GP at my surgery.
That's incorrect. If COVID is mentioned on the death certificate it is still counted.
We publish two sets of figures:
- Positive test notifications. These figures include the deaths of anyone who has died having tested positive for COVID-19 in the last 28 days.
- Death certificate notifications. These figures include the deaths of anyone who has died without testing positive in the last 28 days, but who has COVID-19 recorded as a primary or underlying cause of death on their death certificate.
You just suck it all up sunshine.
As I've clearly stated, I'm waiting patiently for the inevitable shit to happen.
The only people living in denial are those stupid enough to have had 2 or more vaccines, who are shitting themselves that there might be a chance that I'm correct, in which case, your fucked.
Either way, sit tight, your in for a fun time!
Do you believe that the vaccines work?The only people living in denial are those stupid enough to have had 2 or more vaccines
So, in reference to the 28 days figure, which is what you were referring to (and I presume, because of this, where it was agreed as the accepted measure across the home nations) then no, it isn't recorded.
And if it's the primary or underlying cause of death, it should bloody well be recorded!
There are 2 definitions of a death in a person with COVID-19 in England, one broader measure and one measure reflecting current trends:
1) A death in a person with a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 test and either died within 60 days of the first specimen date or died more than 60 days after the first specimen date, only if COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate
2) A death in a person with a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 test and died within (equal to or less than) 28 days of the first positive specimen date
You just suck it all up sunshine.
As I've clearly stated, I'm waiting patiently for the inevitable shit to happen.
The only people living in denial are those stupid enough to have had 2 or more vaccines, who are shitting themselves that there might be a chance that I'm correct, in which case, your fucked.
Either way, sit tight, your in for a fun time!
You talk of moving the goalposts, and you're furiously moving the goalposts because the evidence doesn't meet your pre-ordained views. You talk about 28 days, I respond... and because the answer doesn't fit your narrative, you move the goalposts.So yeah, it would be down to what is put on the Death Certificate after 60 days.
The 4 UK Chief Medical Officers have recommended that a single, consistent measure is adopted for daily reporting of deaths across the UK. The UK government and the devolved administrations have agreed to publish the number of deaths that occurred within 28 days of a positive lab-confirmed COVID test result on a daily basis.
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