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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,096
hill83 said:
Every single person I know who’s double jabbed without exception when we’ve spoke about it has said they will have the third jab.

And unless I’ve totally lost the plot I’ve always expected a third jab, and a fourth. And so on. Was that not always the case?
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tbf I was a bit surprised initially - I was thinking of vaccine in the way of smallpox or TB type.

I had completely forgotten about the flu one!
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,097
hill83 said:
Every single person I know who’s double jabbed without exception when we’ve spoke about it has said they will have the third jab.

And unless I’ve totally lost the plot I’ve always expected a third jab, and a fourth. And so on. Was that not always the case?
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Well i was under the impression a yearly booster was on the agenda, which is fair.

Not one every 3 months
 

hill83

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,098
Saddlebrains said:
Well i was under the impression a yearly booster was on the agenda, which is fair.

Not one every 3 months
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Ah fair enough.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,099
As an aside, six months after my second jab is... Christmas Day.

That's one way to spend it, I suppose(!)
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,100
Saddlebrains said:
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Isn't this how all vaccines work? If you don't have the boosters required you're not considered vaccinated?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,101
Saddlebrains said:
Well i was under the impression a yearly booster was on the agenda, which is fair.

Not one every 3 months
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Well tbf it's six months after your second, so not every three months.

It'll stabilise to annually, I'm sure. It'll stabilise, eventually, to flu type effects, where people have a certain immunity, and those who are more at risk get their immunity topped up with a vaccine.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,102
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Which is why these moments of doubt are only fleeting. But they're there, and I think it's healthy to have that little bit of doubt about things. If you don't you're probably not going to last long. It's about making sure those doubts don't get out of control.
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On matters like these where I feel secure enough in understanding what's in them, the literature behind them, I haven't had any such doubts. The media have to take a huge share of blame for blowing up once in a million fatalities as being enough to plant extra fear into those sitting on the fence.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,103
Can’t have my booster until Feb. I felt like shit after my second, and daftly said I wouldn’t do it again! Suppose the potential alternative is worse though.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,104
Deleted member 5849 said:
As an aside, six months after my second jab is... Christmas Day.

That's one way to spend it, I suppose(!)
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That's alright. You'll have a headache on Boxing day anyway won't you?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,105
Deleted member 5849 said:
My question for that would be, why they're necessarily surprised, given Israel were starting to show waning immunity as our vaccines were being rolled out, and of course flu has to be given annually, and most people have some kind of natural immunity to flu, built up over the years - we're starting from stage zero with Covid.



The figures after a booster look at first glance admittedly, to be so good that there's no real need to adapt it - they really are impressive. And variants will always come along in this, it's whether the vaccine still works on them or not that's important.


To a degree I'd find this harder to argue against. I guess my main issue would be depressing spread, that again from the figures about whether you actually catch Covid after your third, looks like a way to pushing down spread is indeed a third shot - we'll see, of course.
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See this is where i am, point 3.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,106
Saddlebrains said:
Did a quick straw poll at work today and of those in my phone contacts who i maintain contact with, about jab 3. Those that are double jabbed of course

At work of the 26 people asked, 15 said no. 10 yes 1 undecided

Phone, 16 asked, 9 no, 7 yes.


Seems its not only me that is really not keen on jab 3
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Lockdowns here we come then because some of our populace don’t trust our medical experts to advise us. Oh well ffs
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,107
I don't think the info and messaging has been the greatest this time.
There was a two month lag on making the decision from first suggesting it , indecision breeds indecision IMO.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,108
hill83 said:
Every single person I know who’s double jabbed without exception when we’ve spoke about it has said they will have the third jab.

And unless I’ve totally lost the plot I’ve always expected a third jab, and a fourth. And so on. Was that not always the case?
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Yes, I find in incomprehensible that somebody couldn't anticipate the potential need for a booster given the vaccine was developed in a period of about 6 months, so of course the long term efficacy was unknown. The internet has rotted brains with so much willingness to believe in silly conspiracy theories.

As I said previously, it is a privilege that some can only dream of and I'll be getting my booster when I can.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,109
wingy said:
I don't think the info and messaging has been the greatest this time.
There was a two month lag on making the decision from first suggesting it , indecision breeds indecision IMO.
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theres been 13 million boosters so far almost so I don’t see a lot of indecision of this fine menu
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,110
Grendel said:
theres been 13 million boosters so far almost so I don’t see a lot of indecision of this fine menu
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No that's pretty good progress but there been questions like the Oxford Dame who suggested it wasn't needed at that point?
Would she say that for commercial reasons followed by AZ CEO?
 

baldy

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,111
Sky Blue Pete said:
Lockdowns here we come then because some of our populace don’t trust our medical experts to advise us. Oh well ffs
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As if lockdowns work anyway too…eurgh
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,112
baldy said:
As if lockdowns work anyway too…eurgh
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Is this bait? It feels like bait. Your history suggests you could genuinely believe this though.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,113
baldy said:
As if lockdowns work anyway too…eurgh
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Depends what you think they are for
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #53,114
See here's where so much confusion creeps in.
Man on been cites protection against severe infection down to 44% after 5 months
The article I'm just pasting says 87. % at same point meaning/showing the booster gives you 6% more?
Does any of this take into account the other aspect of T cell's permanently recognising the infection and doing their stuff.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,115
This is tragic

 
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robbiekeane

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,116
Jesus and then the brother died not long after

 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,117
robbiekeane said:
Jesus and then the brother died not long after

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The texts are sad. Convinced till his last breath the thing that killed him was a hoax.
 

LastGarrison

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,118
Fucking hell those messages on her feed between her brother and cousin are unbelievable.

Literally death by TikTok.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,119
LastGarrison said:
Fucking hell those messages on her feed between her brother and cousin are unbelievable.

Literally death by TikTok.
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Where I do understand is vaccine shedding. If people are not taking regular lateral flow tests it is likely people who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic transmitters isn’t it?
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,120
Sky Blue Pete said:
Where I do understand is vaccine shedding. If people are not taking regular lateral flow tests it is likely people who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic transmitters isn’t it?
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I love how anti vaxxers shift seamlessly between its a hoax and how they know of better treatments than the vacinne.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,121
Those texts are tragic and go to show just how dangerous/thick the anti-vax lot are. Imagine genuinely believing medical advice from some crank on fucking TikTok rather than an actual doctor.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,122
Sky Blue Pete said:
Where I do understand is vaccine shedding. If people are not taking regular lateral flow tests it is likely people who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic transmitters isn’t it?
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If everyone had been vaccinated this wouldn’t be a concern
 

Sick Boy

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,123
Sky Blue Pete said:
Where I do understand is vaccine shedding. If people are not taking regular lateral flow tests it is likely people who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic transmitters isn’t it?
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Hasn’t it been debunked as a hoax? Do any of the covid vaccines being used contain a weakened form of covid-19?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,124
Sick Boy said:
Hasn’t it been debunked as a hoax? Do any of the covid vaccines being used contain a weakened form of covid-19?
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Some vaccines are live (think that’s the right term) vaccines, not sure on Covid. I know someone who has a compromised immune system having lost their spleen in an accident and it’s recommended that they don’t have any live vaccine or be close to someone who has for a period of time after they’ve had a live vaccine. I think there is a small risk for a very short period of time but only if your immune system is compromised in the first place. Healthy people with no underlying health conditions are no more vulnerable to “shedding” should it even exist in this incident than they would if they’d have had the vaccine themselves in the first place. As far as I understand it anyway. It’s a typical example of the anti vax morons latching onto a small fragment of a truth to invent a lie.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,125
Sick Boy said:
Hasn’t it been debunked as a hoax? Do any of the covid vaccines being used contain a weakened form of covid-19?
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Pfizer’s is just an mRNA vaccine, no viral particles at all. AZ is a mutated virus that carries the spike protein but is otherwise harmless.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,126
robbiekeane said:
Jesus and then the brother died not long after

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Darwin had it right
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,127
Redirect Notice
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,128
On Nick Ferrarri's show just now, he had the Mother of a pregnant woman on who does not want to have the vaccine. The caller was a nurse and her main issue was she wanted to know if all of these pregnant women who are in hospital with Covid had underlying health conditions.

Yes! They were fucking pregnant you daft c**t.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,129
Why on earth would you just hold on to doses until they expire when you've already decided not to use them?
The UK threw away more than 600,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine after the life-saving jabs were allowed to pass their expiry date, The Independent can reveal.

In what has been described as an “absolute scandal”, the government failed to donate the doses to poorer countries struggling to access Covid vaccines – despite previous promises to redistribute supplies that were deemed surplus to requirements in the UK.

The doses were no longer needed in Britain after the decision was made in May to stop offering the AstraZeneca vaccine to younger age groups because of concerns over rare blood clotting.

This left an excess of vaccines, 604,400 of which eventually expired in August before being destroyed at the end of the month, according to data obtained by a Freedom of Information request.
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Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #53,130
chiefdave said:
Why on earth would you just hold on to doses until they expire when you've already decided not to use them?
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If they expired in August COVAX would not have allowed them to be dispatched anyway even in June would they?
 
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