Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (16 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 15, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Not a chance.

You are a shameful coward, as is anyone who supports this segregation.

What other word would you use to describe someone who supports the deliberate and systematic segregation of a demographic against their will?

You, and other people that apologise for such measures are a disgrace.

What about the people that feel they are being put in danger by people being selfish? If lockdowns did happen again the first people affected would be the vulnerable and elderly. Is it right that they should be deliberately and systematically segregated from the rest of us against their will just because a few nutcases and people too afraid to admit they're scared of needles refuse to get the vaccine? If anyone has to be segregated it should be those that are causing the problem of their own free will. Same reason why we deliberately and systematically segregate criminals into prison against their will.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 15, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Sir , please can I go for a walk , I've had my jab

Austrian government

This forum has lost its mind

And I'm pro vaccine
Ah well time to log off for a while , not safe from the insanity anywhere

Would you go as far as ‘it’s like Hitler never left’? Because if not, nobody here is happy with it.

Sick Boy · Nov 15, 2021

I'm not ashamed to say that I was quite apprehensive about getting the vaccine and would have preferred not to have done but it's a civil duty to do it for the greater good and to protect the vulnerable.

Evo1883 · Nov 15, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would you go as far as ‘it’s like Hitler never left’? Because if not, nobody here is happy with it.

Away from the Hitler nonsense , I'm not pleased about what Austria deem acceptable to impose on its people .

Either way I'm out for a while , enjoy your Christmases

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 15, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Away from the Hitler nonsense , I'm not pleased about what Austria deem acceptable to impose on its people .

Either way I'm out for a while , enjoy your Christmases

The Hitler nonsense is all that’s being disputed.

SBT · Nov 15, 2021

Grendel said:
I am in favour generally of civil liberties but there is no reason to not take the vaccine at all. None. Its for the good of society so I am afraid that if this behaviour continues then I am leaning towards measures that restrict their movements as they are not prepared to think of the greater population.

Two months ago you said you were "totally opposed" to vaccine passports, and they should never be introduced. What changed?

Passport Control

Me totally opposed - this is a slippery slope we will do but never should

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 15, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Away from the Hitler nonsense , I'm not pleased about what Austria deem acceptable to impose on its people .

Either way I'm out for a while , enjoy your Christmases

I think everyone has that to some degree. I did. But it's healthy to have a small degree of uncertainty or even fear. It takes a lot of trust to let someone, often a complete stranger, inject something into you - you are pretty much at their mercy.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 15, 2021

SBT said:
Two months ago you said you were "totally opposed" to vaccine passports, and they should never be introduced. What changed?

Passport Control

Me totally opposed - this is a slippery slope we will do but never should

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

Has someone started a counter-spreadsheet, keeping track of all Grendel's views, opinions and comments?

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 15, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think everyone has that to some degree. I did. But it's healthy to have a small degree of uncertainty or even fear. It takes a lot of trust to let someone, often a complete stranger, inject something into you - you are pretty much at their mercy.

You aren’t, you have a wealth of peer reviewed data to give you the confidence it isn’t injection roulette.

Sick Boy · Nov 15, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Away from the Hitler nonsense , I'm not pleased about what Austria deem acceptable to impose on its people .

Either way I'm out for a while , enjoy your Christmases

Have a good one, mate, hope to see you back on here before then though.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 15, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Away from the Hitler nonsense , I'm not pleased about what Austria deem acceptable to impose on its people .

Either way I'm out for a while , enjoy your Christmases

Remember, when we stick to the football we agree quite often

Sick Boy · Nov 15, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Remember, when we stick to the football we agree quite often

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 15, 2021

Sick Boy said:

Hey, I was no massive fan of Max either

Tommo1993 · Nov 15, 2021

Wtf happened in here?

Saddlebrains · Nov 15, 2021

Saddlebrains · Nov 15, 2021

Did a quick straw poll at work today and of those in my phone contacts who i maintain contact with, about jab 3. Those that are double jabbed of course

At work of the 26 people asked, 15 said no. 10 yes 1 undecided

Phone, 16 asked, 9 no, 7 yes.

Seems its not only me that is really not keen on jab 3

shmmeee · Nov 15, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Did a quick straw poll at work today and of those in my phone contacts who i maintain contact with, about jab 3. Those that are double jabbed of course

At work of the 26 people asked, 15 said no. 10 yes 1 undecided

Phone, 16 asked, 9 no, 7 yes.

Seems its not only me that is really not keen on jab 3

Can I ask why?

Skybluefaz · Nov 15, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Did a quick straw poll at work today and of those in my phone contacts who i maintain contact with, about jab 3. Those that are double jabbed of course

At work of the 26 people asked, 15 said no. 10 yes 1 undecided

Phone, 16 asked, 9 no, 7 yes.

Seems its not only me that is really not keen on jab 3

Do not think that will just increase the chances of future lockdowns though?

SBT · Nov 15, 2021

I'm not taking another paracetamol for my headache, I already took two of them a few weeks ago.

Grendel · Nov 15, 2021

SBT said:
Two months ago you said you were "totally opposed" to vaccine passports, and they should never be introduced. What changed?

Passport Control

Me totally opposed - this is a slippery slope we will do but never should

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

Er you’ve just quoted what’s changed - are you putting me in the Covtel?

Grendel · Nov 15, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Did a quick straw poll at work today and of those in my phone contacts who i maintain contact with, about jab 3. Those that are double jabbed of course

At work of the 26 people asked, 15 said no. 10 yes 1 undecided

Phone, 16 asked, 9 no, 7 yes.

Seems its not only me that is really not keen on jab 3

Ridiculous

Tommo1993 · Nov 15, 2021

SBT said:
I'm not taking another paracetamol for my headache, I already took two of them a few weeks ago.

No, paracetamols are merely a placebo, it’s all a lie! Anything could be in them!

SBT · Nov 15, 2021

Grendel said:
Er you’ve just quoted what’s changed - are you putting me in the Covtel?

So you only recently became aware of people refusing to take the vaccine?

Anyway, your arguments in the other thread you started were apparently based on principle, but you seem to have done a complete 180 in the space of two months.

Saddlebrains · Nov 15, 2021

shmmeee said:
Can I ask why?

Of course, as you dont resort to childish retorts like some others

The general consensus being that what was massive faith and belief in the vaccine when we were all queueing up for dose 1 or 2, has completely evaporated since being told 'oh actually lets bang another in you so thats 3 in less than 9 months.

Also, a fair few responses of, well why are we needing 3 of the jab that was made with info of the initial alpha variant, when delta has been dominant for so long, yet the jab hasnt been amended to tackle the delta.

Lastly a few that were just of the view of now we know more about the disease nearly 2 years on, they'll take their chances woth confidence in their immune system and previous 2 jabs

Grendel · Nov 15, 2021

SBT said:
So you only recently became aware of people refusing to take the vaccine?

Anyway, your arguments in the other thread you started were apparently based on principle, but you seem to have done a complete 180 in the space of two months.

Er yes I’m fully aware and I’ve repeatedly stated that I’m not in favour but if the options presented are a lock down restriction for everybody or just for those who repeatedly ignore advice that’s the decision

I think scientists have done several 180s on COVID advice as the situation develops as well have they not?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 15, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You aren’t, you have a wealth of peer reviewed data to give you the confidence it isn’t injection roulette.

There are still the very rare bad reactions and side effects, which despite the very very tiny chance of it happening there is a brief moment where you wonder 'what if...?' Then there's trusting the actual person doing it because if you've had a bad blood test or whatever in the past where you've felt a bit like a pin cushion it takes a bit of trust.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 15, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
There are still the very rare bad reactions and side effects, which despite the very very tiny chance of it happening there is a brief moment where you wonder 'what if...?' Then there's trusting the actual person doing it because if you've had a bad blood test or whatever in the past where you've felt a bit like a pin cushion it takes a bit of trust.

Which compared to the risks of a Covid infection with no protection is pretty insignificant. And I think the record after tens of millions of injections is testament to that.

SBT · Nov 15, 2021

Grendel said:
Er yes I’m fully aware and I’ve repeatedly stated that I’m not in favour but if the options presented are a lock down restriction for everybody or just for those who repeatedly ignore advice that’s the decision

I think scientists have done several 180s on COVID advice as the situation develops as well have they not?

Science certainly evolves, yes, and the scientists always show their working. I'm just curious if you can do the same considering it was a "slippery slope" and a "strange thought process" that should never happen just two months ago.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 15, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Which compared to the risks of a Covid infection with no protection is pretty insignificant. And I think the record after tens of millions of injections is testament to that.

But that's not the psychology of it.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 15, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Which compared to the risks of a Covid infection with no protection is pretty insignificant. And I think the record after tens of millions of injections is testament to that.

Which is why these moments of doubt are only fleeting. But they're there, and I think it's healthy to have that little bit of doubt about things. If you don't you're probably not going to last long. It's about making sure those doubts don't get out of control.

Grendel · Nov 15, 2021

SBT said:
Science certainly evolves, yes, and the scientists always show their working. I'm just curious if you can do the same considering it was a "slippery slope" and a "strange thought process" that should never happen just two months ago.

I’ve explained and now you are boring me

hill83 · Nov 15, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Did a quick straw poll at work today and of those in my phone contacts who i maintain contact with, about jab 3. Those that are double jabbed of course

At work of the 26 people asked, 15 said no. 10 yes 1 undecided

Phone, 16 asked, 9 no, 7 yes.

Seems its not only me that is really not keen on jab 3

Every single person I know who’s double jabbed without exception when we’ve spoke about it has said they will have the third jab.

And unless I’ve totally lost the plot I’ve always expected a third jab, and a fourth. And so on. Was that not always the case?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 15, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Of course, as you dont resort to childish retorts like some others

The general consensus being that what was massive faith and belief in the vaccine when we were all queueing up for dose 1 or 2, has completely evaporated since being told 'oh actually lets bang another in you so thats 3 in less than 9 months.

My question for that would be, why they're necessarily surprised, given Israel were starting to show waning immunity as our vaccines were being rolled out, and of course flu has to be given annually, and most people have some kind of natural immunity to flu, built up over the years - we're starting from stage zero with Covid.

Also, a fair few responses of, well why are we needing 3 of the jab that was made with info of the initial alpha variant, when delta has been dominant for so long, yet the jab hasnt been amended to tackle the delta.

The figures after a booster look at first glance admittedly, to be so good that there's no real need to adapt it - they really are impressive. And variants will always come along in this, it's whether the vaccine still works on them or not that's important.

Lastly a few that were just of the view of now we know more about the disease nearly 2 years on, they'll take their chances woth confidence in their immune system and previous 2 jabs

To a degree I'd find this harder to argue against. I guess my main issue would be depressing spread, that again from the figures about whether you actually catch Covid after your third, looks like a way to pushing down spread is indeed a third shot - we'll see, of course.

Grendel · Nov 15, 2021

hill83 said:
Every single person I know who’s double jabbed without exception when we’ve spoke about it has said they will have the third jab.

And unless I’ve totally lost the plot I’ve always expected a third jab, and a fourth. And so on. Was that not always the case?

yeah I don’t get it I’ve just booked mine and don’t know anyone whose said no

SBT · Nov 15, 2021

Grendel said:
I’ve explained and now you are boring me

Just glad you eventually realised I had it right first time around!

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