No offence but I think they’re probably more experienced than you.The Eu changed policy about 3 times on the Oxford jab - the vaccination of younger people unless there is a follow up booster strategy seems odd until every vulnerable group has been vaccinated
No offence but I think they’re probably more experienced than you.
It’s fully approved my EMA…
And by the UK regulator UK approves Pfizer jab for 12 to 15-year-olds - not sure they’d have approved it if there was a real risk of death.
What evidence do you have that there is a risk of death to 12-15 year olds from the Pfizer?
The logic all through this has been, really, the only reason some of this board would be vaccinated would be to reduce transmission, and therefore also risk to other people.Yeah, not saying death but to date all I’ve seen is the risk of the impact of covid for kids is less than the risk of kids having the vaccine. Might change but I think that’s the current view here
The USA is vaccinating children and hasn’t even approved AZ, yet you have never mentioned this…it’s almost like it’s politicalMmmmm they said no vaccines for over 60 did a u turn, it’s quasi effective which made an already sceptical continent worse and did a I turn, engaged in vaccine wars with suppliers and did a turn and no offence but the what Steve is saying is the vaccine risk statistically is more than having long term Covid effects - no one even denies that
The logic all through this has been, really, the only reason some of this board would be vaccinated would be to reduce transmission, and therefore also risk to other people.
tbf, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable vaccinating children if vaccine takeup was good, which it has been. But, if you want to reduce transmission and suppress it as much as possible, that's why.
What we do need to do, though, is keep a strong eye on what the longer term effects of Covid on children are, of course.
The logic all through this has been, really, the only reason some of this board would be vaccinated would be to reduce transmission, and therefore also risk to other people.
tbf, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable vaccinating children if vaccine takeup was good, which it has been. But, if you want to reduce transmission and suppress it as much as possible, that's why.
What we do need to do, though, is keep a strong eye on what the longer term effects of Covid on children are, of course.
It needs almost 100% take up of over 18 year olds to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity though. Thanks to anti-vaxers and those who just can’t be arsed because I’m alright Jack vaccinating under 18’s might be the only way to achieve herd immunity.The logic all through this has been, really, the only reason some of this board would be vaccinated would be to reduce transmission, and therefore also risk to other people.
tbf, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable vaccinating children if vaccine takeup was good, which it has been. But, if you want to reduce transmission and suppress it as much as possible, that's why.
What we do need to do, though, is keep a strong eye on what the longer term effects of Covid on children are, of course.
You’re in the Schengen area, what did were you expecting?So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.
Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.
I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.
You joke but the people making the decisions are mostly men with bigger egos than manhood so…FULL LOCKDOWN NOW!!
So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.
Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.
I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.
Not sure you're correct here. Surely you're not taking into account the fact that the unvaccinated that have had covid, have a certain level of immunity. There's no way we'd need 100% of vaccination take up in over 18s to achieve herd immunity.It needs almost 100% take up of over 18 year olds to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity though. Thanks to anti-vaxers and those who just can’t be arsed because I’m alright Jack vaccinating under 18’s might be the only way to achieve herd immunity.
Do we know anything about reinfection rates? How long are people immune after infection vs vaccination and can they pass it on?
So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.
Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.
I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.
From a vaccination point of view we do. The predictions are 70-76% of the entire population to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, just over 21% of the population is under 18. That’s a real narrow window of people either unvaccinated or without anti bodies. Most people who catch Covid only hold onto the antibodies for 5-7 months after also so it is nowhere near as effective as the vaccine plus they then still need a vaccine anyway. The I’ve had it so I’m immune card is also overplayed. Anyone who hasn’t had it this year and has not been vaccinated are probably as susceptible to catching it again as anyone who hasn’t had it ever and not been vaccinated. Then there’s the issue of new variants. The flu vaccine for example changes every year due to the nature of viruses, we’ve already seen numerous variants of covid 19, the latest of which has downgraded the effectiveness of current vaccines. We’ll be getting boosters most years if not every year moving forward based on the latest variants much as we do with the flu vaccine, coupled with the bodies ability to hold onto the antibodies from the current vaccines.Not sure you're correct here. Surely you're not taking into account the fact that the unvaccinated that have had covid, have a certain level of immunity. There's no way we'd need 100% of vaccination take up in over 18s to achieve herd immunity.
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So, I just arrived in Amsterdam last night. I spent a couple of days in Barcelona and then took a train to Paris, switched and took another train to Amsterdam via Brussels.
Despite crossing three borders, not only was my passport and travel documentation not checked at any point, but my covid paperwork and negative test certificate weren't either.
I just crossed halfway through Europe completely unchecked.
This would be desirable, I know the figures out of Israel were impressive.Do we know anything about reinfection rates? How long are people immune after infection vs vaccination and can they pass it on?
Already seeing it in the younger generations with the delta variant.Regards the quasi effective argument there are article's questioning the antibody levels of the older generation .
Re kid's without being alarmist barely anyone seems to take into account the potential of a mutation that does become life threatening to them.
Rather a blind spot in the equation I think.
Course he's not elected you fucking roaster. He's doing his job.Chris Whitty,that bundle of joy who‘s not even been elected by anybody,coming out & saying England to be locked down again potentially in 5 weeks - why? Death rates are flatlined…wouldn’t surprise me at all if Boris u-turns before Monday….View attachment 21003
Had this argument with a mate. He was expecting me to go to the pub to watch the football. When I said no he said what’s the issue, you’ve had both your jabs. I pointed out that the problem is not everyone in the pub has and I can still get it, if I get it my kids miss more school as they will have to self isolate too. Both his kids have left school and he hasn’t even considered that angle.Little girls bubble has a positive case. Ruined the end of year 2 for her. Absolutely fed up of it ruining stuff for kids.
No irony in him self-isolating on ‘Freedom Day’ at all…Didn't realise the new Health Secretary was putting himself forward as a trial.
COVID-19: Ministers wait to learn if they face quarantine after Sajid Javid tests positive for coronavirus
Sajid Javid's positive lateral flow test result has been confirmed by a PCR test - suggesting Boris Johnson and other senior cabinet colleagues may also have to self-isolate.news.sky.com
She loves school and seeing her friends there. That's her done until September now. Just a shitter for them.Had this argument with a mate. He was expecting me to go to the pub to watch the football. When I said no he said what’s the issue, you’ve had both your jabs. I pointed out that the problem is not everyone in the pub has and I can still get it, if I get it my kids miss more school as they will have to self isolate too. Both his kids have left school and he hasn’t even considered that angle.
You’re in the Schengen area, what did were you expecting?
And nowhere would accept your francs or guilders either
Post of the month right here
Those countries are in the European travel area, of course you weren’t checked?
You make it sound like you’re Kate Adie heading into a rubble-strewn warzone
Too many of you trying to be too clever.
The point is not whether it is a 'common travel area'. There is a pandemic on and there are rules between the different countries. These include mandatory negative tests and quarantine otherwise you will get refused entry.
The fact you can willy nilly get away without having to follow any procedures is not really very good.
Do you expect them to erect borders?
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