Interesting to extrapolate mortality at roughly one in a thousand , still not nice though,hate to sound so cold when discussing., also ten % (approx or just lower) of those hospitalised .Thanks. Love a bit of covid data analysis. Do we know how many of the 300 vaccinated had to stay at least overnight and unfortunately died BSB ? (Also ages ?)
One dose, less than 21 days:
303 total cases
36 A+E visits
6 overnight stays
0 deaths
One dose, 21 days or more:
1,364 total cases
178 A+E visits
42 overnight stays
3 deaths
Two doses, timeframe unspecified:
267 total cases
30 A+E visits
10 overnight stays
2 deaths
Seems quite apparent from this admittedly not large data set that one dose offers limited protection in the longer term. I might suggest that further acceleration of second doses and an expansion of first doses to all 18+ is what we need
Hope so,fancy that for my booster come Autumn/ WinterI read a post on Twitter earlier, there have been some studies into mix dosing AZ / Pfizer which have apparently gone very well
Interesting to extrapolate mortality at roughly one in a thousand , still not nice though,hate to sound so cold when discussing., also ten % (approx or just lower) of those hospitalised .
Sort of similar as in first wave.
Think anecdotally bods on TV are still saying victims are generally old and frail.
Which poses the question it likely that demographic have more than likely had two doses.
I read a post on Twitter earlier, there have been some studies into mix dosing AZ / Pfizer which have apparently gone very well
It doesn't sound like you leave the UK much, so perhaps to you it isn't really an issue.
Your point about 'frothing about one country' isn't as much of an insult as you think it is. You think the way the government handled the India situation was correct? Clearly it wasn't. I don't think you will find many people who disagree with that either. You cannot just throw Portugal in with India, otherwise (despite what you say) it is a 'close all borders' or 'open all borders' situation. Portugal is a completely different animal.
You are trying to infer that one is hypocritical because not wanting flights coming in from India automatically should mean that we shouldn't want flights coming in from anywhere else. It is ridiculous hill to die on, and deflects from the point of Portugal. Again though, you know that. You know it is a pathetic decision to take them off the green list, but it is easier to try and get upset with me than defend it outright.
The 21st always struck me as the target they would have to row back on. I could never understand how you could remove the social distancing rules before all adults had received their first dose.
likewise foreign travel; as much as we all would love a holiday why not just keep the borders shut until the vaccine rollout was finished?
I don’t think any of this is end of the world given shops are open and we can have a pint. However I think we’re looking at September once we’ve all had two jabs before social distancing is done and given some of the variants appearing that may still be needed over winter.
Looking more closely at the data it seems that secondary schools are showing the greatest acceleration in outbreaks. Funny that we were told schools were safe/don't vaccinate the teachers/schools don't transmit. However looking at the 'Delta' cases so far
9,500 cases since start of February
840 went to A + E
Of the 840, 540 had not been vaccinated.
Of the 540, 150 had to stay at least overnight
Of the 150, there were 11 deaths.
There have been 4.49 million reported cases of Covid in the UK, with 128k deaths. That is a death rate of 2.85% roughly (bear in mind these are reported cases).
The Covid death rate for that (Indian/Delta) variant works out at 0.12%, using the numbers above (9,500 cases and 11 deaths).
Today's tactic about Portugal is going towards softening the blow for them delaying lifting of final restrictions I think.
If you don’t want flights from India because of its variant, then you also shouldn’t be wanting flights from any other country where the variant has been identified as spreading fast and gaining dominance (oh god, you still haven’t read the data you asked for, have you?) And you certainly wouldn’t want to be encouraging/funnelling people to holiday there, right?
Clearly the two countries aren’t directly comparable, but the government has decided that it doesn’t matter how many Indian flights you block if you don’t also address it coming in from other places too. Not much fun for the Club 18-30 crowd, I know, but apparently the June 21 reopening back here takes priority. And yet for some reason you’re upset about it.
You’re so close to getting this, but still you’re stuck on India/China = scary foreigners with the variant and Portugal/Spain = fry-ups and Only Fools & Horses by the pool.
What would I know though, apparently I don’t even travel overseas much.
Looking more closely at the data it seems that secondary schools are showing the greatest acceleration in outbreaks. Funny that we were told schools were safe/don't vaccinate the teachers/schools don't transmit. However looking at the 'Delta' cases so far
9,500 cases since start of February
840 went to A + E
Of the 840, 540 had not been vaccinated.
Of the 540, 150 had to stay at least overnight
Of the 150, there were 11 deaths.
No, you clearly don't travel much, and you have shown your true colours again. Making it all about attitudes towards foreigners, when it is nothing of the sort. It shows you haven't got a clue, and actually just proves your quite strange agenda.
As I have written above, the Delta variant isn't more deadly. It also accounts for 75% of the cases in the UK at the moment. That means Pandora's box has already been opened. You do get that right?
The 'data' you posted, isn't even data. You were hoping I wouldn't read it and therefore could secretly score some secret points, but you have actually played yourself well and truly. That link shows a graph and the fact there have been 68 cases of Delta/Indian variant in Portugal. There have already been 9,500 here (at least). It is a shit excuse really, but you know that. You just detest the idea of the Albufeira crew more than you do the virus. That's your angle here, which is probably also a front for the fact you are a coward too.
so what do you do for a living m8
Can tell we’ve got an amateur author at work here, the amount of effort you’ve put into the character building is just marvellous. Filling in all those blanks about my personality all by yourself, great stuff!
PS - the data don’t show 68 cases anymore, clicking through would have told you that. But you tried!
Not all foreign travel is for holidays, there are people who haven’t seen family members in years.For mostly selfish reasons I would like to see the numbers allowed at weddings increased to the 50 already permitted in Scotland. I would also say that as we press into July and August indoor mixing is much less of a concern in general as we saw last summer. Foreign travel I agree I see no reason for
You have just admitted that the solid data in the article you posted was wrong. You've well and truly peaked.
Someone post something positive please, just read some very worrying data on vaccine efficacy over time against the new variant.
It's Friday.Someone post something positive please, just read some very worrying data on vaccine efficacy over time against the new variant.
Someone post something positive please, just read some very worrying data on vaccine efficacy over time against the new variant.
Someone post something positive please, just read some very worrying data on vaccine efficacy over time against the new variant.
Not all foreign travel is for holidays, there are people who haven’t seen family members in years.
By June 21st we will very likely have double jabbed the top 9 groups and first jabbed 80%
By June 21st we will very likely have double jabbed the top 9 groups and first jabbed 80%
It’s the “reduced efficacy after three months post second jab” but that’s worrying me.
April was “second jab month”, which means efficacy will start dropping for the most vulnerable around August time, which is also when the summer lull starts to end. Just hope we can get boosters out I suppose
But thats looking more and more a waste of time now isnt it
Pretty sure there are a few jabs you only get once. Usually when you are young.Isn’t it always the case that any sort of jab wears off over time? Or have I completely misunderstood how they work.
It you’re arguing for fully vaccinated people to be quarantining upon arrival, do you actually have faith in the vaccines?It should be for things that are absolutely essential. I’m sure those who went to India saw no harm in it and look where we are. Mandatory quarantine for all arrivals and I’d allow it
Pretty sure there are a few jabs you only get once. Usually when you are young.
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It you’re arguing for fully vaccinated people to be quarantining upon arrival, do you actually have faith in the vaccines?
Presumably everyone at your wedding will have received both doses?
Good point. I was thinking more along the lines of the flu jab. But I think that’s because the flu virus itself is constantly changing.
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