All hoody wearers,buggers.
All hoody wearers,buggers.Not, “the young are ready for the vaccine and look at them go”
Last hours of the Bank Holiday Monday getting seriously sloppy on here, that was some all-time thermonuclear internet warfare being waged, just gutted it got deleted before we could get the reaction.
The whole situation is pathetic - we’ve done all they’ve asked of us,we can’t do much more & yet being free of restrictions still hangs in the balance...don’t thick bastards realize you can’t beat a pandemic? It’s impossible
The best option really is to just live with it I’m afraid
Pathetic really isnt it. Media are scum in this country
It is easy for you to say that with little investment, emotionally financially or otherwise, in the decisions madeLots of very sensible people saying there’s cause for concern including those who have been positive throughout. But yeah journalists are scum for mentioning it and viruses understand the mental toll people are having by having their events cancelled and will give us a break.
Come on people.
Exactly. Go back and look at the numbers last summer, there's days with zero deaths reported but then cases started rising exponentially and look how we ended up.Lots of very sensible people saying there’s cause for concern including those who have been positive throughout. But yeah journalists are scum for mentioning it and viruses understand the mental toll people are having by having their events cancelled and will give us a break.
Come on people.
Exactly. Go back and look at the numbers last summer, there's days with zero deaths reported but then cases started rising exponentially and look how we ended up.
Of course there is going to be concern when cases start rising exponentially again. We've got 3 weeks until 21 June, which seems to have morphed from the 'no earlier than' originally announced to a set in stone date, and everyone is hoping that doesn't lead to similar rises in hospitalisations and death.
Exactly. Go back and look at the numbers last summer, there's days with zero deaths reported but then cases started rising exponentially and look how we ended up.
Of course there is going to be concern when cases start rising exponentially again. We've got 3 weeks until 21 June, which seems to have morphed from the 'no earlier than' originally announced to a set in stone date, and everyone is hoping that doesn't lead to similar rises in hospitalisations and death.
It’s madness, why aren’t they just stopping the flights?
They are literally opening a terminal for red list flights.
If they are coming in, then I am going on holiday. Absolute madness.
It’s madness, why aren’t they just stopping the flights?
Red flights incur a two week detention in an Ibis I think if your in that you’d have reason
You are right, but it is quite easy to circumvent an exception.
Bear in mind up until now those passengers were mixing with others in the terminals anyway. Given the dodgy testing procedures at some of those airports, it's no wonder we have threats of new variants every week.
Which is the reason there is, as I said, hope that an exponential rise in cases doesn't lead to a rise in hospitalisations and deaths.We have had something called a vaccine roll out this time in case you haven’t noticed
Which is the reason there is, as I said, hope that an exponential rise in cases doesn't lead to a rise in hospitalisations and deaths.
The idea that if hospitalisations and deaths start to rise in line with the rise we're seeing in cases we just ignore it seems very bizarre to me. Not sure anyone can claim 'nobody could have predicted this' yet again.
About time, although how effective it will be given it seems fairly easy to circumvent the rules, not to mention the amber list shambles, remains to be seen.
They are literally opening a terminal for red list flights.
If they are coming in, then I am going on holiday. Absolute madness.
if that did happen then the vaccine has failed. Would you close everything again?
Which is the reason there is, as I said, hope that an exponential rise in cases doesn't lead to a rise in hospitalisations and deaths.
The idea that if hospitalisations and deaths start to rise in line with the rise we're seeing in cases we just ignore it seems very bizarre to me. Not sure anyone can claim 'nobody could have predicted this' yet again.
Why would it mean the vaccine had failed? Vaccines aren't 100% and the majority of the adult population aren't fully vaccinated. If hospitals are full of the fully vaccinated then there would certainly be questions about the claimed effectiveness of the vaccines but I don't think anyone has suggested that have they?if that did happen then the vaccine has failed. Would you close everything again?
Depends on the situation doesn’t it?
If the vaccine has “failed” at one dose for the new variant then you wait until people have had two. If it needs a booster shot maybe you do that.
18 months on and you seem to be struggling with the idea of following the data still. And also with the idea that people try and keep themselves safe even if the government doesn’t tell them to.
If hundreds of people a day start dying again people will lock themselves down and business will go under because they’re officially open but no one is patronising them.
Why would it mean the vaccine had failed? Vaccines aren't 100% and the majority of the adult population aren't fully vaccinated. If hospitals are full of the fully vaccinated then there would certainly be questions about the claimed effectiveness of the vaccines but I don't think anyone has suggested that have they?
I'd probably go with the recommendation of the experts rather than people off a football forum to be honest.
If that happens we will essentially have to permanently shut hotels, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, nightclubs, most high street shops and say goodbye to large crowds at sports and music events. Which some people I know elsewhere are already comfortable with
How many under 50’s not vaccinated by June 21 would be likely to die given what we know?
About time, although how effective it will be given it seems fairly easy to circumvent the rules, not to mention the amber list shambles, remains to be seen.
Supposed to be essential travel only to amber list countries yet there's reports of hundred of thousands of Brits heading to the likes of Spain on holiday. Was also a survey that showed a third of them planning to not follow the self isolation rules upon their return.
It is easy for you to say that with little investment, emotionally financially or otherwise, in the decisions made
Without meaning to discount anyone's opinion, there's an obvious tension when people with a financial interest in restrictions being lifted on June 21 demand that it happens. For the scientists arguing that it might instead be dangerous (and I don't know how "easy" it is for them to do so), what tension exists for them?
About time, although how effective it will be given it seems fairly easy to circumvent the rules, not to mention the amber list shambles, remains to be seen.
Supposed to be essential travel only to amber list countries yet there's reports of hundred of thousands of Brits heading to the likes of Spain on holiday. Was also a survey that showed a third of them planning to not follow the self isolation rules upon their return.
I am a scientist too, and I’m looking at the vast numbers we have with some or full vaccine protection, then comparing to those remaining unvaccinated who comprise the bulk of infections but a tiny proportion of serious cases. Those remaining by June 21st will be an even smaller group still.
And yet all this time I have been expected to teach 150 people a day with poor ventilation, no priority for a vaccine and no ability to mandate mask wearing to students. But the idea of a wedding where all guests are vaccinated is ‘too dangerous’
I am a scientist too, and I’m looking at the vast numbers we have with some or full vaccine protection, then comparing to those remaining unvaccinated who comprise the bulk of infections but a tiny proportion of serious cases. Those remaining by June 21st will be an even smaller group still.
And yet all this time I have been expected to teach 150 people a day with poor ventilation, no priority for a vaccine and no ability to mandate mask wearing to students. But the idea of a wedding where all guests are vaccinated is ‘too dangerous’
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