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PVA

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,341
Those numbers are way off according to three articles I've just read.

Of those 52,000 only 3,500 had actually been vaccinated.

113 died.



It was pretty much exclusively old and frail people that died, but to say it is 113 in 52,000 is unbelievably wide of the mark.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,342
PVA said:
Those numbers are way off according to three articles I've just read.

Of those 52,000 only 3,500 had actually been vaccinated.

Of those 3500, 520 had been vaccinated at least 3 weeks before they got Covid.

113 died.



It was pretty much exclusively old and frail people that died, but to say it is 113 in 52,000 is unbelievably wide of the mark.
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So it's 113 of 520 or is it still 113 of 52000 but most hadn't been vaccinated ?

Or is it 113 of 3500 vaccinated (confused )
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,343
Evo1883 said:
So it's 113 of 520 or is it still 113 of 52000 but most hadn't been vaccinated ?
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It was 113 out of 52,000, but only 3,500 had been vaccinated (and only 500 of them had been vaccinated 3 weeks before they got Covid)
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,344
Evo1883 said:
You're a clever lad , do the quick match for me...what percentage is that please , genuine question (not being sarcastic just shit at math )
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about 0.22%
 

Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,345
David O'Day said:
about 0.22%
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Nice math
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,346
PVA said:
It was 113 out of 52,000, but only 3,500 had been vaccinated (and only 500 of them had been vaccinated 3 weeks before they got Covid)
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OK, I might sound thick here so I'm sorry.

How many of the vaccinated 3500 died
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,347
I haven’t been to the supermarket since November for fear that someone on here will collar me for not being 2m apart at all times.
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,348
CCFCSteve said:
yeah, I wondered if they might end up just tweaking some of the 21 June removal of restrictions ie allow certain events but maybe with a requirement for negative tests pre event
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All the test events have required a negative test for entry and some level of mask wearing & distancing, although as we've seen from televised games there's a decent percentage of people who seem incapable of wearing a mask properly if at all.

In the next round of testing some events drop the mask wearing & distancing but the data from those won't be known until after 21 June. For example Download is a test event and takes place 18 - 20 June with a post event test required in the week following the event. How can they use that data to decide if its safe to remove restrictions on 21 June?

That would lead me to believe that testing and / or vaccine passports are in the plans for when restrictions are removed otherwise the test event data is useless but the Telegraph (Daily not CET) report today that plans for that have been scrapped.

Seen a couple of interesting ticketing systems introduced in the US. One is that the better seats at the front are reserved for those who are prepared to confirm they are vaccinated with an area at the rear of the venue for those who haven't been vaccinated or won't confirm their status which maintains mask wearing & distancing. Another was where tickets are the usual $20 price if you provide proof of vaccination, if you couldn't or wouldn't they are £1,000!
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,349
SBT said:
I haven’t been to the supermarket since November for fear that someone on here will collar me for not being 2m apart at all times.
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I took my mask off upon leaving Asda on Friday and a women looked at me like I'd just taken a dump in her trolley
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,350
Evo1883 said:
Nice math
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PVA

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,351
Evo1883 said:
OK, I might sound thick here so I'm sorry.

How many of the vaccinated 3500 died
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To be honest the articles I read are clear as mud so I'm not sure!

I think it's saying 113 of 3500 died. But as I say it's really not clear.

Will try and the actual report as that should be clearer!
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,352
Sick Boy said:
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chiefdave

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,353
PVA said:
To be honest the articles I read are clear as mud so I'm not sure!

I think it's saying 113 of 3500 died. But as I say it's really not clear.

Will try and the actual report as that should be clearer!
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Was just looking for the actual report but haven't found it yet, assume it is publicly available somewhere.

Hard to tell from reading news reports as this makes it sound like 113 out of the 526 vaccinated died, as bad as my maths is that definitely isn't 0.22%
among just over 52,000 hospitalised COVID-19 patients studied, 526 had been vaccinated with a first dose of either the AstraZeneca or Pfizer shot at least three weeks earlier. Of those, 113 died.
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Grendel

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,354
Evo1883 said:
OK, I might sound thick here so I'm sorry.

How many of the vaccinated 3500 died
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it’s 0.2% of the total vaccinated

Figures on Covid deaths post-jab show vaccine’s success, scientists say

Small number have died after being vaccinated, mostly having caught virus before dose could take effect
www.google.co.uk
 
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Grendel

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,355
chiefdave said:
Was just looking for the actual report but haven't found it yet, assume it is publicly available somewhere.

Hard to tell from reading news reports as this makes it sound like 113 out of the 526 vaccinated died, as bad as my maths is that definitely isn't 0.22%
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That means 1% of those vaccinated were hospitalised
 
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SBT

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,356
Evo1883 said:
I took my mask off upon leaving Asda on Friday and a women looked at me like I'd just taken a dump in her trolley
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Nick’s disguises are getting better
 
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wingy

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,357
Sick Boy said:
How likely is it that by September I’d be able to visit without having to quarantine if I’ve been fully vaccinated?
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They all just have to adopt the passport ,or tests for those who are not jabbed.
I guess it depends what hybrid variants are knocking about then SB .
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,358
So hardly anybody is dying now?

As I said, there will just be new mutations all the time. Headlines that it's a triple thread whammy mutation, people shit themselves and we keep restrictions.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,359
Evo1883 said:
So it's 113 of 520 or is it still 113 of 52000 but most hadn't been vaccinated ?

Or is it 113 of 3500 vaccinated (confused )
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It’s actually when you read it neither what it’s trying to say is of the sample hospitalised 0.2% died which is significantly lower than the norm in that sample of 52,000 so the deduction is the vaccine reduced deaths by 80% over the normal rate
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,360
Think this is the report being referred to:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982499/S1208_CO-CIN_report_on_impact_of_vaccination_Apr_21.pdf
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,361
On those raw figures it's around 0.2% .
Which is between 2.5 to 5 time's lower than initial outbreak of 0.5% to 1%.
Seemingly about twice that of flu
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,362
Anecdotal but clearly it’s working

Redirect Notice
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,363
And this has to be the most encouraging news of all

Redirect Notice
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,364
I hope table service stays, it's so good to not have to go to the bar to queue up.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,365
chiefdave said:
Was just looking for the actual report but haven't found it yet, assume it is publicly available somewhere.

Hard to tell from reading news reports as this makes it sound like 113 out of the 526 vaccinated died, as bad as my maths is that definitely isn't 0.22%
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I see it as meaning that out of 52,000 hospital patients, only 500 of those had received at least one dose. Of the vaccinated who went to hospital, 100 died. It shows to me brilliant protection against serious illness.
 
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wingy

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,366
It was a bit disappointing to read that pfizer wasn't too effective after the one dose,the one going into arms currently.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,367
wingy said:
It was a bit disappointing to read that pfizer wasn't too effective after the one dose,the one going into arms currently.
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The Israeli data for that was very good to be fair
 
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baldy

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,368
Evo1883 [QUOTE="Sky Blue Pete said:
Does make sense but we open up too fast and shut down too slow. That’s the mantra.
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'Too fast' ffs....coming up to 18 months of this shit now & hardly anybody's dying - about time we lived with it - it's ridiculous
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,369
wingy said:
It was a bit disappointing to read that pfizer wasn't too effective after the one dose,the one going into arms currently.
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Ah right , the one I've had , brilliant lol
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,370
Evo1883 said:
Ah right , the one I've had , brilliant lol
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They’re all designed for two
 
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wingy

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,371
Evo1883 said:
Ah right , the one I've had , brilliant lol
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Sure it'll be sound once the second goes in ,I was just surprised he didn't contrast it against the others yet I think it's similar tbf.
 
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wingy

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,372
Think the point I'm making is the current rush out in current hotspots won't bare fruit for around 10-11 weeks.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,373
Ccfcisparks said:

SAGE expert calls for June 21 to be delayed 'by a few weeks'

Environment Secretary George Eustice today warned the Government 'couldn't rule anything out' when asked whether June 21 'freedom day' could be delayed due to rising Covid infections.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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My frustration with reporting such as this (and particularly the BBC making it their headline too) is although the scientist is a member of Sage, every article I've read containing their view is very pro lockdown. Which is fine, that's their view.

However, for the purposes of balance, where are the quotes from other scientists? Or figures showing small deaths from the vaccinated?

It's a bit like if the BBC only ever reported the Doves view of the BoE monetary policy and ignoring the Hawks.

FWIW, I don't see how a '3rd wave' can happen due to the number of vaccinations and those that have already had Covid. Small clusters yes due to societal make up of certain areas but enough circuit breakers now to stop a mass spread. Could of course be bollocks as I haven't read that anywhere, but would be nice to have the chance to!
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,374
Third wave starting to trend on twitter .

This is how mass panic begins , these fuckers know what they are doing
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 31, 2021
  • #46,375
Evo1883 said:
Third wave starting to trend on twitter .

This is how mass panic begins , these fuckers know what they are doing
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Oh of course they will. It's so easy.

Scaremongering, again.
 
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