Brighton Sky Blue
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Except for ‘the excellent Dan Hodges’
Never mentioned right wing papers
Exactly! Haven't seen anyone knock down positive news, but have seen people over react to cautious news .
I think you'll be OK mate.Got quite a lot riding on them not substantially delaying full reopening to be fair.
Partly due to right wing groups and other racist t***s deliberately spreading fear about what is in the vaccine to make some ethnic groups worry and not take it. Disgusting.In some areas of bolton 1 in 4 have refused the vaccine. Individual lock down of communities who refuse to behave responsibly may be an option
Clearly made up your mind.In other news, man invents wheel.
Sorry if it’s going over old ground but is there any indication of the ages of the new cases? Are these likely going to be younger unvaccinated people?
I noted here that they’re going to open up vaccines to 12-15 year olds over the summer months as well.
That is what the NHS chief suggested. Though despite attempts to slander young people as vaccine sceptics there has been excellent take up from 30-39 so far.
Sorry if it’s going over old ground but is there any indication of the ages of the new cases? Are these likely going to be younger unvaccinated people?
I noted here that they’re going to open up vaccines to 12-15 year olds over the summer months as well.
Clearly made up your mind.
Why?Isn’t this a bit alarming?
Why?
They are miles behind the U.K. in first and second doses - this suggests it’s a take up issue and no longer supply. The other week you were saying full dose percentages were similar it’s now double in the U.K. to Italy.
I think that was at least a month ago when I said that.
I expect that between now and the end of summer it’ll get ramped up even further. They are going to start administering vaccines in pharmacies, workplaces etc.
As said before though, it differs from the UK as in each region is autonomous with its healthcare, so some will start sooner than others.
Isn’t the UK around 58% first dose?They will get there in the end, but right now we’re at 75% first dose, 45% second. By June 21st that ought to be at least 80/50
Isn’t the UK around 58% first dose?
Ahhh ok I’ve read that the aim here is to get adults vaccinated by end of August, which seems doable.I was referring to adult population
Ahhh ok I’ve read that the aim here is to get adults vaccinated by end of August, which seems doable.
Already said above - within 10 minutes walk of time there are literally 8 pharmacies.Don’t see how given their slow rate of climb in the last month
Already said above - within 10 minutes walk of time there are literally 8 pharmacies.
I'd say that consideration is absolutely logical for any country across the globe, even this one, referenced this morning with Zahawi on Marr .Doesn’t explain why it’s rate is low on take up
I do see the under 16 thing is an EU driven approach as a means of trying to get herd immunity
I'd say that consideration is absolutely logical for any country across the globe, even this one, referenced this morning with Zahawi on Marr .
Ah, didn't realise it was related to the order of delivery.i would go through the adult age groups personally so the high risk elements are eliminated first
Ah, didn't realise it was related to the order of delivery.
But it's still an option choice I guess,we were headed for younger first I think until Blair/Hancock /JVCI Intervened with the analysis around increased lives saved by the older first option.
Edit:-haven't really seen the numbers crunched around this, was it 6000 more lives saved this way?
Through hindsight it would have been less optimal given what we now know about blood clots , lucky chaps get the boost of ,+20% greater efficacy.
Yep good call that. Can’t have been Hancock’s oThink the JVCI/PHE/government called it spot on with administering by age and high risk first. The gap between doses, which was derided across the world (but a necessity due to our high rates at the time) was also the right move.
There were loads of people calling for different options at the time, unions wanting teachers first, people wanting shortened time between doses (so less people jabbed) etc etc. For all the fuck ups we have made (most replicated across the western world), the vaccination programme from funding Oxford/contracting AZ, to procurement, to logistical planning and roll out has been nailed
.....well, at least as far as we know currently. I say that because none of us really know about the impact of these vaccines on us all. even though I’ve had two jabs (more to protect others than me) I wouldn’t force kids to have it until there is insurmountable evidence that the benefit of the jab to them is greater than the risks of having it. Some people may disagree but protecting the high risk/elderly through herd immunity by vaccinating kids who are, on the face of it, extremely unlikely to be severely impacted by covid, just seems wrong
You forgot Blair mate.Think the JVCI/PHE/government called it spot on with administering by age and high risk first. The gap between doses, which was derided across the world (but a necessity due to our high rates at the time) was also the right move.
There were loads of people calling for different options at the time, unions wanting teachers first, Cressida dick wanting police moved up the list, people wanting shortened time between doses (so less people jabbed) etc etc. For all the fuck ups we have made (most replicated across the western world), the vaccination programme from funding Oxford/contracting AZ, to procurement, to logistical planning and roll out has been nailed
.....well, at least as far as we know currently. I say that because none of us really know about the impact of these vaccines on us all. even though I’ve had two jabs (more to protect others than me) I wouldn’t force kids to have it until there is insurmountable evidence that the benefit of the jab to them is greater than the risks of getting covid. Some people may disagree but protecting the high risk/elderly through herd immunity by vaccinating kids who are, on the face of it, extremely unlikely to be severely impacted by covid, just seems wrong
Thought teachers got asked to be included later on tbf.
Back to your point Steve it is/was a very intriguing point, pretty sure JCVI were looking to lowest first,where the spread was happening, which in isolation seems logical,not going that way has led to less mortality and a different vaccine,the best one going to the young, which should ultimately help reduce any further spread imminently and further on than if they'd had AZ ,I think.You forgot Blair mate.
Some doctor on the radio then saying we should be concerned about opening up on 21st June because of the backlog of NON covid related treatments?
Therefore essentially wanting restrictions in place until the backlog is cleared, just incase covid cases rise alongside it .. yea that will go down well with the people I'm sure.
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It will go down well with most on here
Some doctor on the radio then saying we should be concerned about opening up on 21st June because of the backlog of NON covid related treatments?
Therefore essentially wanting restrictions in place until the backlog is cleared, just incase covid cases rise alongside it .. yea that will go down well with the people I'm sure.
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