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Nick

Administrator
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,096
fernandopartridge said:
It is pretty irresponsible of Sky to report the news that way, based on a family comment. The story infers that it's only part of the story.
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Scaremongering for a headline though.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,097
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is Italy not needlessly slowing itself down because of 1 in 100,000 blood clot bullshit?
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In what way? The regions have autonomy so there are some that are doing anyone over 18 years and old and others doing anyone over 30.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,098
I somehow have access to the booking page for vaccines so can search areas.

Around me in Hampshire is booked solid for 2-3 weeks. With only a few appointments 30 odd miles away coming up.

Around Heathrow for example you can book for same day. You would think if places have spare capacity they would send staff and vaccines to popular areas.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,099
Heathrow is in Hounslow, which is one of the hotspots for the Indian variant, so I think that’s where they’re sending the extra capacity.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,100
SBT said:
Heathrow is in Hounslow, which is one of the hotspots for the Indian variant, so I think that’s where they’re sending the extra capacity.
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Think capacity by airports has always been higher.

There are currently 0 appointments in Southampton or Portsmouth what's crazy.

Portsmouth the closest place with more than 1 appointment is Reading !

Great that the uptake is high. But think how many people wont be bothered to book as cant get one near home.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,101
Sick Boy said:
In what way? The regions have autonomy so there are some that are doing anyone over 18 years and old and others doing anyone over 30.
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I mean are they making under x age take Pfizer
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,102
SBT said:
Heathrow is in Hounslow, which is one of the hotspots for the Indian variant, so I think that’s where they’re sending the extra capacity.
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It isn't, it's in Hillingdon albeit you travel to it via Hounslow on the tube
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,103
Coventry and North Warwickshire CC have slots for everyday at the moment. I know someone who joined a new GP practice and was offered same day or next day vaccine slots.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,104
jordan210 said:
Think capacity by airports has always been higher.

There are currently 0 appointments in Southampton or Portsmouth what's crazy.

Portsmouth the closest place with more than 1 appointment is Reading !

Great that the uptake is high. But think how many people wont be bothered to book as cant get one near home.
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Cities are going to be facing more demand as they have a younger population. I'm not really sure how they've factored that into the way the vaccines are allocated to CCGs. I've a feeling they've just done it on this sort if basis
patients registered with practice / total patients in England * vaccines available for distribution
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,105
Now people are seeing the Indian variant for what it is (a load of scare tactic shit), we have the new and improved version... Just in time!

THE THAI VARIANT.

I can't really take it that seriously any more. Only so many times one can cry wolf.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,106
How is it 'a load of scare tactic shit'?

The only people getting worked up by the coverage of it are those who want to shout 'OMG THE MEDIA ARE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE LOCKED DOWN FOREVER!!!!!!' when literally no one is saying that.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,107
PVA said:
How is it 'a load of scare tactic shit'?

The only people getting worked up by the coverage of it are those who want to shout 'OMG THE MEDIA ARE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE LOCKED DOWN FOREVER!!!!!!' when literally no one is saying that.
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he's floof mate
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,108
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I mean are they making under x age take Pfizer
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As far as I know most of the vaccines ordered are Pfizer or Moderna.
Where they’ve surplus AZ, I’ve read about them having open days where anyone can call up and register for one but it’s all decided on a region by region basis.
People I know born in 81 are now being done, so it’s got much, much faster over the last month or so.
The actual number of daily cases is not dissimilar to the UK.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,109
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,110
'Dr Helen Wall, senior responsible officer for the Covid vaccine programme in Bolton, tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme patients in hospital in the area are not as sick as previous patients with Covid-19 and "vaccines seem to be working".

She says there are "significant numbers of 30 and 40-year-olds" going into hospital in Bolton'...

 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,111
MusicDating said:
'Dr Helen Wall, senior responsible officer for the Covid vaccine programme in Bolton, tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme patients in hospital in the area are not as sick as previous patients with Covid-19 and "vaccines seem to be working".

She says there are "significant numbers of 30 and 40-year-olds" going into hospital in Bolton'...

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CLOSE THE COUNTRY!!!
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,112
Sick Boy said:
In what way? The regions have autonomy so there are some that are doing anyone over 18 years and old and others doing anyone over 30.
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Its odd as they still only have vaccinated 18% with two doses - the UK is at 36% so they seem to have just given up vulnerable first approach
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,113
Grendel said:
Its odd as they still only have vaccinated 18% with two doses - the UK is at 36% so they seem to have just given up vulnerable first approach
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No they’ve not.
The regions are responsible rather than the government and it varies from region to region - some regions are still doing over 50s only whereas others are much further along. Alto Adige is doing anyone 18 and over, for example…here in Veneto it’s still over 40s only.
 
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Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,114
MusicDating said:
'Dr Helen Wall, senior responsible officer for the Covid vaccine programme in Bolton, tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme patients in hospital in the area are not as sick as previous patients with Covid-19 and "vaccines seem to be working".

She says there are "significant numbers of 30 and 40-year-olds" going into hospital in Bolton'...

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'Significant Numbers'

Really are bedwetting arent they
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,115
Saddlebrains said:
'Significant Numbers'

Really are bedwetting arent they
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I'd suggest they know a lot better than you what significant numbers means in relation to their capacity. If they've got from 0-2 admissions a day to 6+ that is a significant uplift.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,116


This is current vs scenarios for the road map. We appear to be tracking under the scenarios but we keep being told might have to move away from full reopening !

Think we can say the modellers have got this once again wrong
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,117
jordan210 said:


This is current vs scenarios for the road map. We appear to be tracking under the scenarios but we keep being told might have to move away from full reopening !

Think we can say the modellers have got this once again wrong
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Not really. Just that people still don’t understand how to read models, i assume that’s from this paper: https://assets.publishing.service.g...7_Unlocking_roadmap_scenarios_for_England.pdf

It’s pretty clear that both the vaccine efficacy and take up are better than modelled.
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,118
shmmeee said:
Not really. Just that people still don’t understand how to read models, i assume that’s from this paper: https://assets.publishing.service.g...7_Unlocking_roadmap_scenarios_for_England.pdf

It’s pretty clear that both the vaccine efficacy and take up are better than modelled.
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But shows they are not following data as they are not reviewing it regular. Considering saga members have been calling for slowing down of lockdown yet we are ahead of there best case scenario is a joke
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,119
fernandopartridge said:
I'd suggest they know a lot better than you what significant numbers means in relation to their capacity. If they've got from 0-2 admissions a day to 6+ that is a significant uplift.
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Its not though in the grand scheme of things is it? Shall we stay locked down until its 0?

End of the day, all results coming out of these extra hospital admissions and cases are that those jabbed twice are in the very very small minority, and even then they arent as ill as past waves leading to them not being in hospital as long

Similar for those jabbed once but of course, higher in the admissions and intervention needed.

The Jabs are working
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,120
jordan210 said:
But shows they are not following data as they are not reviewing it regular. Considering saga members have been calling for slowing down of lockdown yet we are ahead of there best case scenario is a joke
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Agreed, ridiculous
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,121
jordan210 said:
But shows they are not following data as they are not reviewing it regular. Considering saga members have been calling for slowing down of lockdown yet we are ahead of there best case scenario is a joke
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Eh? It’s a paper released before we knew any of this stuff, it’s not a living document you update though they’ll probably have live models they use.

Sorry this is just more anti-intellectual expert bashing. You’re arguing the toss about a model that’s from what I can tell on that graph 95% accurate and was built on best guess data at the time *which you have to do*.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,122
Saddlebrains said:
Its not though in the grand scheme of things is it? Shall we stay locked down until its 0?

End of the day, all results coming out of these extra hospital admissions and cases are that those jabbed twice are in the very very small minority, and even then they arent as ill as past waves leading to them not being in hospital as long

Similar for those jabbed once but of course, higher in the admissions and intervention needed.

The Jabs are working
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A 300% increase during a pandemic where exponentials often apply is significant.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,123
shmmeee said:
Eh? It’s a paper released before we knew any of this stuff, it’s not a living document you update though they’ll probably have live models they use.

Sorry this is just more anti-intellectual expert bashing. You’re arguing the toss about a model that’s from what I can tell on that graph 95% accurate and was built on best guess data at the time *which you have to do*.
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The model for reopening was set out and we have to hit stages in it. That was set in the model and there has been nothing from HMG to show they are using live data. They set the models and that is it.

The models have been wrong from the start, Imperials Neil Ferguson has never predicted anything right.

Have a closer look at the data its not 95%. So hardly basing, But once again shows how wrong the models are.

 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,124
Saddlebrains said:
Its not though in the grand scheme of things is it? Shall we stay locked down until its 0?

End of the day, all results coming out of these extra hospital admissions and cases are that those jabbed twice are in the very very small minority, and even then they arent as ill as past waves leading to them not being in hospital as long

Similar for those jabbed once but of course, higher in the admissions and intervention needed.

The Jabs are working
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The point is that those jabbed twice are a minority in the general population (42% of adults) in Bolton's case. Therefore given Bolton has a population of 317k registered patients (probably higher actual population) then there are a significant number of at risk people still around.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,125
'
Prof Andrew Hayward, a member of New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag), tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme that people who have only had one dose of the vaccine could end up in hospital, even if they are young.

He says the country has seen a doubling of cases of the variant first discovered in India every week - with about 7,000 cases last week.

"It only takes five or six doublings for that to get up to, say, a quarter-million cases, and then you could set the pressure on the NHS and avoidable illnesses," he warns.'

Currently 745 people in hospital compared to 34,500 at peak in Jan.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,126
shmmeee said:
A 300% increase during a pandemic where exponentials often apply is significant.
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Depends how you want to spin it for headlines I guess.

Numbers and stats can be manipulated either way.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,127
Nick said:
Depends how you want to spin it for headlines I guess.

Numbers and stats can be manipulated either way.
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No they can’t. Just people, especially journalists struggle with nuance and statistics.

Theres a reason you see these headlines in the Express but not in the BMJ.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,128
jordan210 said:
The model for reopening was set out and we have to hit stages in it. That was set in the model and there has been nothing from HMG to show they are using live data. They set the models and that is it.

The models have been wrong from the start, Imperials Neil Ferguson has never predicted anything right.

Have a closer look at the data its not 95%. So hardly basing, But once again shows how wrong the models are.

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Did you even read his post? The chart comes from a model in a paper that used certain assumptions about efficacy and vaccine take up which are clearly laid out. We are way ahead of those assumptions so obviously its not applicable.

bUt ThE mOdElZ r WrOnG aGaIn
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,129
PVA said:
How is it 'a load of scare tactic shit'?

The only people getting worked up by the coverage of it are those who want to shout 'OMG THE MEDIA ARE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE LOCKED DOWN FOREVER!!!!!!' when literally no one is saying that.
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David O'Day said:
he's floof mate
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You two should meet up and take each others virginities.
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2021
  • #46,130
robbiekeane said:
Did you even read his post? The chart comes from a model in a paper that used certain assumptions about efficacy and vaccine take up which are clearly laid out. We are way ahead of those assumptions so obviously its not applicable.

bUt ThE mOdElZ r WrOnG aGaIn
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The road map is bassed on the assumptions in these papers. So they did not model for this ? So yes the models are wrong if they did not model for being ahead.

Why has the road map not been speed up then ?


Why are the same people involved in the models saying we need to slow down the reopening ?
 
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