Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (19 Viewers)

chiefdave · Apr 26, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It might be uncomfortable to hear, but some protests have received an 'allow it' status. It pisses me off because when I stick to the rules, others clearly haven't bothered. This particular protest I don't agree with either (just for the record).

There is, or at least was at one point, an exemption for protests in the rules. However the protests are supposed to be organised and enforce social distancing & mask wearing which a lot have attempted, to varying degrees of success.

At the risk of opening a can of worms this was a very different thing with zero social distancing or mask wearing. There's even footage online of protesters trying to rip masks off people wearing them.

What I can't get my head around is the police response. Whatever you think of things like BLM or the Sarah Everard vigil the police response was very different to what was seen here. Footage online of the police being attacked by protesters and running away being chased yet the Met puts out a tweet saying 'thank you to everyone', very bizarre.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Apr 26, 2021

clint van damme said:
Its not some protests its pretty much all of them, and that includes gatherings by football supporters like when we all went to Broadgate to celebrate.
The Sarah Everard vigil and the nurses protesting were the only one where they seemed to decide they were going to enforce the rules.
Some of those nurses have 10k fineshanging over them.

chiefdave said:
There is, or at least was at one point, an exemption for protests in the rules. However the protests are supposed to be organised and enforce social distancing & mask wearing which a lot have attempted, to varying degrees of success.

At the risk of opening a can of worms this was a very different thing with zero social distancing or mask wearing. There's even footage online of protesters trying to rip masks off people wearing them.

What I can't get my head around is the police response. Whatever you think of things like BLM or the Sarah Everard vigil the police response was very different to what was seen here. Footage online of the police being attacked by protesters and running away being chased yet the Met puts out a tweet saying 'thank you to everyone', very bizarre.

Agree with most of the points both of you make.

There have been different approaches and different acceptance levels for different protests. Some from the establishment and police, others from the public.

I couldn't really give a fuck what the protest is about to be honest. There is a pandemic. Should be zero tolerance on everything in my opinion. After that, sure, do your protest as long as it is peaceful.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 26, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
Hard to believe that is a legit headline from the Mail. Absolutely going after Johnson.

Yep. The coup is on.

David O'Day · Apr 26, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I imagine they will now look to trace everyone’s subsequent infection status

yeah they are to test show large scale sporting events can effect the spread of the virus.

ovduk78 · Apr 26, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yep. The coup is on.

Gove defending BJ's actions in Commons whilst the rag his wife works for tells the World!?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 26, 2021

ovduk78 said:
Gove defending BJ's actions in Commons whilst the rag his wife works for tells the World!?

He's the biggest arsehole in a government rife with them.

I'm almost willing to give the likes of Johnson and JRM a bit of leeway because their privileged upbringing gives them that mindset. Gove however was in care in Scotland and was adopted. He literally relied on the goodwill of strangers who owed him nothing to not end up just being another kid lost in the system. Yet he's the most self-centred dickhead going. No doubt he sees where he's got to as down to nothing but his own hard-work and abilities.

ovduk78 · Apr 26, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
He's the biggest arsehole in a government rife with them.

I'm almost willing to give the likes of Johnson and JRM a bit of leeway because their privileged upbringing gives them that mindset. Gove however was in care in Scotland and was adopted. He literally relied on the goodwill of strangers who owed him nothing to not end up just being another kid lost in the system. Yet he's the most self-centred dickhead going. No doubt he sees where he's got to as down to nothing but his own hard-work and abilities.

He's also got a face I would love to punch & I don't like violence!!

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 26, 2021

David O'Day said:
yeah they are to test show large scale sporting events can effect the spread of the virus.

I’m pretty optimistic it’ll work out fine

shmmeee · Apr 26, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
He's the biggest arsehole in a government rife with them.

I'm almost willing to give the likes of Johnson and JRM a bit of leeway because their privileged upbringing gives them that mindset. Gove however was in care in Scotland and was adopted. He literally relied on the goodwill of strangers who owed him nothing to not end up just being another kid lost in the system. Yet he's the most self-centred dickhead going. No doubt he sees where he's got to as down to nothing but his own hard-work and abilities.

They’re all like that though. At the heart of Tory ideology is the idea wealthy people are deserving of their wealth because they’re better than others. The flip side of that is those who aren’t wealthy also deserve their fate.

See also tin pot Tories like G going on about how he pulled himself up by his bootstraps and kids today don’t know the meaning of hard work, despite the mountains of evidence against him. Once it’s personal people will believe any old bollocks to protect their ego.

Grendel · Apr 26, 2021

shmmeee said:
They’re all like that though. At the heart of Tory ideology is the idea wealthy people are deserving of their wealth because they’re better than others. The flip side of that is those who aren’t wealthy also deserve their fate.

See also tin pot Tories like G going on about how he pulled himself up by his bootstraps and kids today don’t know the meaning of hard work, despite the mountains of evidence against him. Once it’s personal people will believe any old bollocks to protect their ego.

I voted for them in the thatcher years - I was “president” of my university society and remember attended a meeting with a load of boring unfortunates who were demanding a big collection for the miners and the Marxist Scargill. I offered an alternate motion to collect for the police - I made a lot of friends that day.

Evo1883 · Apr 26, 2021

Grendel said:
I voted for them in the thatcher years - I was “president” of my university society and remember attended a meeting with a load of boring unfortunates who were demanding a big collection for the miners and the Marxist Scargill. I offered an alternate motion to collect for the police - I made a lot of friends that day.

I can imagine

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 26, 2021

Grendel said:
I was “president” of my university society

Virtual cookie for the person who guesses what the Grendel society specialised in.

shmmeee · Apr 26, 2021

Grendel said:
I voted for them in the thatcher years - I was “president” of my university society and remember attended a meeting with a load of boring unfortunates who were demanding a big collection for the miners and the Marxist Scargill. I offered an alternate motion to collect for the police - I made a lot of friends that day.

And yet, not so long ago, possibly in this thread, you went off on a rant about how kids today don’t know the meaning of hard work and you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps.

Vote for who you like, it’s the same mindset.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 26, 2021

Grendel said:
I voted for them in the thatcher years - I was “president” of my university society and remember attended a meeting with a load of boring unfortunates who were demanding a big collection for the miners and the Marxist Scargill. I offered an alternate motion to collect for the police - I made a lot of friends that day.

I had you down as a hippie to be honest

shmmeee · Apr 26, 2021

Michael Gove was a communist at Uni I believe. A well worn path

Edit: looked it up, a Labour supporter at school, a Conservative at Uni. Close enough.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 26, 2021

shmmeee said:
Michael Gove was a communist at Uni I believe. A well worn path

The Labour society at my uni debated which of the Miliband was sexier while the Tories burned effigies of Obama and Gordon Brown

shmmeee · Apr 26, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The Labour society at my uni debated which of the Miliband was sexier while the Tories burned effigies of Obama and Gordon Brown

There is a very good reason student politics used to be kept in a hermetically sealed box away from voters.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 26, 2021

shmmeee said:
There is a very good reason student politics used to be kept in a hermetically sealed box away from voters.

I vaguely remember being at a flat party full of Tories convincing me not to believe the ‘tripe’ and ‘codswallop’ that the recession was global rather than Gordon Brown’s entire making.

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 26, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I vaguely remember being at a flat party full of Tories

Liquid Gold · Apr 26, 2021

shmmeee said:
Michael Gove was a communist at Uni I believe. A well worn path

Edit: looked it up, a Labour supporter at school, a Conservative at Uni. Close enough.

I knew a guy that was a revolutionary communist at uni but not long after was involved in 'The Conservative European Federalists' or some such shit. I guess they don't exist anymore.

MusicDating · Apr 26, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Agree with most of the points both of you make.

There have been different approaches and different acceptance levels for different protests. Some from the establishment and police, others from the public.

I couldn't really give a fuck what the protest is about to be honest. There is a pandemic. Should be zero tolerance on everything in my opinion. After that, sure, do your protest as long as it is peaceful.

Just view it as an alternative test event...

shmmeee · Apr 26, 2021

Liquid Gold said:
I knew a guy that was a revolutionary communist at uni but not long after was involved in 'The Conservative European Federalists' or some such shit. I guess they don't exist anymore.

Most of the Spiked/Brexit lot are former RCP members. Something about the far left to establishment Conservative position.

stupot07 · Apr 26, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Actions and words aligning perfectly

Just heard Peston on the radio, he's spoken to 2 sources who aren't the one the leaked it that heard him say it. He said this isn't going away and at some point someone will go on record.

Johnson 'did make bodies pile high in their thousands' comment, writes Peston | ITV News

Downing Street has issued a straight denial that the prime minister ranted in that extreme way about how there would never be a third lockdown. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

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clint van damme · Apr 26, 2021

Ian1779 said:
It’s so obvious Gove is behind this. The irony is that Johnson supposed comment is exactly the kind of shite that Sarah Vine would peddle.

there's also a suggestion that Cummings latest blog which put the boot in was written in a very different style to usual and was a lot more professional than his usual output.
No idea if it's true or not because I've never read it.

skybluetony176 · Apr 26, 2021

shmmeee said:
Point isn’t the protest, point is they were protesting to say COVID isn’t harmful while tens of thousands die each day in India.

Exactly. They’re protesting that our government hasn’t/isn’t doing an India even though as we speak India is paying the very expensive price for not behaving like our government. It’s a completely idiotic train of thought and there’s enough evidence to back up how idiotic these idiots are.

Evo1883 · Apr 26, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 26, 2021

Ridiculous stuff from the EU really

Coronavirus: EU sues AstraZeneca over vaccine delivery delays - BBC News

Do these cretins not understand that primary manufacture of vaccines, medicines or whatever else technical is often beset by issues that are complex in nature and take time to solve?

Grendel · Apr 26, 2021

shmmeee said:
And yet, not so long ago, possibly in this thread, you went off on a rant about how kids today don’t know the meaning of hard work and you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps.

Vote for who you like, it’s the same mindset.

I always vote for the government I believe offers competence and substance and freedom for the individual - the 80’s was a very easy choice when the opposition was firstly a long past his best socialist with his strings pulled by Wedgwood Benn and then the incompetent welsh windbag

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 26, 2021

Grendel said:
I always vote for the government I believe offers competence and substance and freedom for the individual - the 80’s was a very easy choice when the opposition was firstly a long past his best socialist with his strings pulled by Wedgwood Benn and then the incompetent welsh windbag

As do I, I just arrive at the opposite conclusion to your good self.

Grendel · Apr 26, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
As do I, I just arrive at the opposite conclusion to your good self.

Funny thing is if you, NW and Shmeee are true to your words you’d have voted thatcher in the early 80’s as well

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 26, 2021

Grendel said:
Funny thing is if you, NW and Shmeee are true to your words you’d have voted thatcher in the early 80’s as well

I guess we'll never know. I don't personally consider people more 'free' if for all of the civil liberties they are granted they don't earn enough to enjoy them in the first place.

Grendel · Apr 26, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I guess we'll never know. I don't personally consider people more 'free' if for all of the civil liberties they are granted they don't earn enough to enjoy them in the first place.

I was more referring to EU strategy

shmmeee · Apr 26, 2021

Grendel said:
I always vote for the government I believe offers competence and substance and freedom for the individual - the 80’s was a very easy choice when the opposition was firstly a long past his best socialist with his strings pulled by Wedgwood Benn and then the incompetent welsh windbag

Fucking everyone does that. That’s like saying “I only like to eat good food”.

Grendel · Apr 26, 2021

shmmeee said:
Fucking everyone does that. That’s like saying “I only like to eat good food”.

And the majority always know what good food tastes like. You really need to find something better than tripe and onions - honestly there’s better out there

shmmeee · Apr 26, 2021

Grendel said:
And the majority always know what good food tastes like. You really need to find something better than tripe and onions - honestly there’s better out there

C+ you’ve done better.

Seriously though “individual freedom”? What do you think literally every political movement ever was trying to achieve? You think people are voting for less freedom?

“Substance”, “competence”, again, literally every voter ever votes for this stuff.

The point you’re spectacularly missing is the entire endeavour of politics exists because these are subjective and competing concepts.

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