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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,051
Regarding Freeports, will the news mention that between 1984 and 2012 while being in the EU we had 7 freeports and the reason we currently don't have them is the Tories got rid of them.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,052
What's the cost of freezing personal allowance over five years?
£800-£1000?
Then create 6 Freeport's?
Who is likely to benefit from these Freeport's?
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,053
wingy said:
What's the cost of freezing personal allowance over five years?
£800-£1000?
Then create 6 Freeport's?
Who is likely to benefit from these Freeport's?
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Pretty sure freeports won't benefit me too much. Council Tax on the rise, energy on the rise no increase in personal allowance = normal working people getting poorer.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,054
shmmeee said:
Anything on investment? Green jobs maybe?
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Nah... he’s waiting for Starmer to come up with it before stealing it
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,055
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,056
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...meanwhile their dumb fascination of forever inflating the stupid housing bubble continues......

......stamp duty holidays, guarantees for banks to encourage more reckless lending on overpriced houses......like thats never had a bad ending before....fucking moronic.
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House price inflation is their key policy for 40 years
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,057
David O'Day said:
So it's going to fuck most businesses and reduce demand
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Tax on profit does not reduce demand. The freeze on the personal allowance will though.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,058
David O'Day said:
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It needs to be heavily inflated to try and reduce the huge waiting lists etc
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,059
fernandopartridge said:
Tax on profit does not reduce demand. The freeze on the personal allowance will though.
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No but less profits leading to companies reducing costs i.e. staffing wages does.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,060
fernandopartridge said:
Tax on profit does not reduce demand. The freeze on the personal allowance will though.
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No, it does reduce investment though. Which is what we desperately needed post Brexit and now need even more.

Sunak just isn’t up to the level required to be a Chancellor in a time of crisis. Too worried about PR and making silly political decisions because he’s not smart or serious enough to make good economic ones.

The rise in CT is purely political to get the left up in arms. The housing bubble he wants to stoke. The funding of Tory target seats. Nothing on health and social care, the changing nature of work, the climate, post Brexit Britain. It could’ve been a George Osbourne budget.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,061
fernandopartridge said:
What an utterly stupid twat Macron is

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Hes a proper tosspot
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,062
PVA said:
Funny how there's no mention of Eat Out to Help Out (or maybe Die Out) in that clip.

The BBC are abysmal these days, just a Tory propaganda machine.
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Wait... I don't disagree with you.. But I've had many arguments on here in the past about the media, but I was told they are reliable, impartial and trustworthy.
People seem to pick and choose what's trustworthy based off their political stance it seems... I just think they are untrustworthy full stop
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,063
Evo1883 said:
Wait... I don't disagree with you.. But I've had many arguments on here in the past about the media, but I was told they are reliable, impartial and trustworthy.
People seem to pick and choose what's trustworthy based off their political stance it seems... I just think they are untrustworthy full stop
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I think trustworthy is the wrong metric. They’re all trustworthy to give an account of events according to their biases. The BBC is biased towards the government of the day (and liberal politics/economics because of that). Don’t look for unbiased media, look to take into account everyone’s bias and triangulate the truth.

If you think you’ve found a trustworthy source it probably just has the same biases as you. But overall professional journalism of almost all kinds is light years ahead of the closest alternative.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,064
shmmeee said:
No, it does reduce investment though. Which is what we desperately needed post Brexit and now need even more.

Sunak just isn’t up to the level required to be a Chancellor in a time of crisis. Too worried about PR and making silly political decisions because he’s not smart or serious enough to make good economic ones.

The rise in CT is purely political to get the left up in arms. The housing bubble he wants to stoke. The funding of Tory target seats. Nothing on health and social care, the changing nature of work, the climate, post Brexit Britain. It could’ve been a George Osbourne budget.
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Investment is tax deductible?

Did the CT cuts of the last 10 years increase business investment?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,065
fernandopartridge said:
Investment is tax deductible?

Did the CT cuts of the last 10 years increase business investment?
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IFS seem to think there’s some evidence rises cause less investment. Not the same as saying cuts increase investment of course. More than when they need to find money they don’t do it from profit but from wages and investment.

Election 2017 | Institute for Fiscal Studies

election2017.ifs.org.uk
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,066
today’s figures today have a 25%ish drop from last week


24th cases 9,938. today 6385
24th death 442 today 315
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,067
The wealth of billionaires has increased massively during this pandemic, just as small
businesses and normal have lost probably just as much collectively. Yet there is no mechanism in place to deal with this... this is why radical change is needed.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,068
Ian1779 said:
The wealth of billionaires has increased massively during this pandemic, just as small
businesses and normal have lost probably just as much collectively. Yet there is no mechanism in place to deal with this... this is why radical change is needed.
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Any party not taxing property, inheritance, capital gains, and pensions isn’t serious about taxation. Income means nothing, tax the wealth.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,069
Got to love that effective strategy there for the opposition.... thank god we ditched the crazy commie shadow chancellor.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,070
Half of vaccinated over 80s breaking lock down rules?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,071
Nick said:
Half of vaccinated over 80s breaking lock down rules?
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Haha amazing. Good for them.

I did wonder who was playing Val Doonican through a subwoofer at 4am down the road last night.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,072
They’re having underground dinner parties for the vaccinated apparently. Fair play, that demographic has generally been the best at following rules. Let em have fucked up coke orgies dinner parties.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,073
How have they come up with that stat? Half seems a lot!

Is the suggestion it is deliberate flouting of the rules or just them not understanding what applies post vaccination? I've had that with my parents who believed a couple of weeks post vaccination they were allowed to do whatever they wanted.
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,074
Ian1779 said:
Got to love that effective strategy there for the opposition.... thank god we ditched the crazy commie shadow chancellor.
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Waiting for mass resignations from shadow cabinet and a letter from West Mids councillors asking for Starmer to resign.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,075
Skybluefaz said:

How did she get this privately? Why would you put it on social media, especially if you are in politics. Fucking idiot.
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Probably stuck it on her expenses
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,076
Ian1779 said:
Got to love that effective strategy there for the opposition.... thank god we ditched the crazy commie shadow chancellor.
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Misrepresented by the man from the daily mail.

shocking
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,077
shmmeee said:
They’re having underground dinner parties for the vaccinated apparently. Fair play, that demographic has generally been the best at following rules.
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Have they?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,078
shmmeee said:
Any party not taxing property, inheritance, capital gains, and pensions isn’t serious about taxation. Income means nothing, tax the wealth.
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You really back these clowns?

 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,079
fernandopartridge said:
You really back these clowns?

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Not that no, though I haven’t seen the quote in context. But I back them significantly more than the current government.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,080
shmmeee said:
Not that no, though I haven’t seen the quote in context. But I back them significantly more than the current government.
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It is being taken out of context by an editor at the Daily Mail.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,081
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,082
chiefdave said:
How have they come up with that stat? Half seems a lot!

Is the suggestion it is deliberate flouting of the rules or just them not understanding what applies post vaccination? I've had that with my parents who believed a couple of weeks post vaccination they were allowed to do whatever they wanted.
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Isn't it the same thing though?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,083
David O'Day said:
It is being taken out of context by an editor at the Daily Mail.
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Where is the full text of what was said in context?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,084
David O'Day said:
Misrepresented by the man from the daily mail.

shocking
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More than happy to be corrected believe me.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,085
Nick said:
Have they?
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Was looking into this the other day. A UCL study says older people are slightly more compliant than younger people, but only on certain things and not by much. Overall, compliance is very high.

Page 64:
https://b6bdcb03-332c-4ff9-8b9d-28f...d/3d9db5_bf013154aed5484b970c0cf84ff109e9.pdf

There's a big push coming in the US to persuade people that once you get vaccinated you'll be able to do a lot more socializing with other vaccinated people, which makes sense to me. So good for the old guys I say.
 
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