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Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,016

How did she get this privately? Why would you put it on social media, especially if you are in politics. Fucking idiot.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,017
I’m guessing she went overseas. Been a few stories of people doing the same.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,018

The left wing BBC.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,019
Funny how there's no mention of Eat Out to Help Out (or maybe Die Out) in that clip.

The BBC are abysmal these days, just a Tory propaganda machine.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,020
He won't make it unless he gets a soft focus 1hr special with LK in some plush hotel , before the previous PM had failed IIRC.

The Kingmaker slot.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,021
PVA said:
Funny how there's no mention of Eat Out to Help Out (or maybe Die Out) in that clip.

The BBC are abysmal these days, just a Tory propaganda machine.
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Err....they do mention it...and also comment that it was a mistake.

As far as the Beeb are concerned, If the right wing shouty brigade are constantly moaning about it being full of "wokey libtards" & the left wing shouty brigade are screaming "tory propaganda machine" then they're probably still doing their job quite well....
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,022
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Err....they do mention it...and also comment that it was a mistake.
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Oops! Apologies, I thought it was the Sunak self promotion video that was released yesterday.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,023
Am I right in saying that the evidence for Eat Out To Help Out driving Covid cases higher is one study from the University of Warwick? Or is there more to it than that?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,024
SBT said:
Am I right in saying that the evidence for Eat Out To Help Out driving Covid cases higher is one study from the University of Warwick? Or is there more to it than that?
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Not sure about specific studies of the eat out scheme, but there is plenty of evidence that adults socialising in restaurants, bars, or worse, at home is a major driver of infections.

Part of the ONS report that found teachers are not at any greater risk than others going out to work mentioned that most of the teacher infections were contracted in the staff rooms, teacher to teacher.......kids generally offer less risk...the younger they are the further it falls.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,025
SBT said:
Am I right in saying that the evidence for Eat Out To Help Out driving Covid cases higher is one study from the University of Warwick? Or is there more to it than that?
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sometimes you know there is actually causation behind the correlation
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,026
David O'Day said:
sometimes you know there is actually causation behind the correlation
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Across the nation.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,027
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Not sure about specific studies of the eat out scheme, but there is plenty of evidence that adults socialising in restaurants, bars, or worse, at home is a major driver of infections.

Part of the ONS report that found teachers are not at any greater risk than others going out to work mentioned that most of the teacher infections were contracted in the staff rooms, teacher to teacher.......kids generally offer less risk...the younger they are the further it falls.
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Oh yeah, obviously from a basic coronavirus safety POV it was an extremely risky move. It deliberately flew in the face of scientific wisdom, and the August/September case numbers obviously speak for themselves. I just find it interesting that it's now taken as gospel that Eat Out to Help Out was the big driver, and wondered if there was more to it than the UoW paper. (Considering how many other papers on other Covid topics have been completely ignored)
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,028
I do like the backdoor Income Tax rise
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,029
David O'Day said:
I do like the backdoor Income Tax rise
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Fucking depressing, is this a levelling up budget?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,030
Skybluefaz said:
Fucking depressing, is this a levelling up budget?
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Seems all the best bits were in the trailer.

I wonder how many news outlets will even point out the backdoor Income Tax rise at all?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,031
Skybluefaz said:
Fucking depressing, is this a levelling up budget?
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Whcih tax rise are we talking here?

I see Corp. Tax is going up 6% to 25% in 2023......fucking hell...thats a kick in the balls & a punch in teeth for small little businesses like me.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,032
...meanwhile their dumb fascination of forever inflating the stupid housing bubble continues......

......stamp duty holidays, guarantees for banks to encourage more reckless lending on overpriced houses......like thats never had a bad ending before....fucking moronic.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,033
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Whcih tax rise are we talking here?

I see Corp. Tax is going up 6% to 25% in 2023......fucking hell...thats a kick in the balls & a punch in teeth for small little businesses like me.
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Income Tax as freezing the lower threshold just means that as wages rise due to inflation the threshold stays the same so people pay more tax and people who didn't pay tax are then pushed into the tax paying bracket.

Also could corporation tax not be a progressive taxation like income tax? More you earn the more you pay?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,034
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Whcih tax rise are we talking here?

I see Corp. Tax is going up 6% to 25% in 2023......fucking hell...thats a kick in the balls & a punch in teeth for small little businesses like me.
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profits below 50k will remain at 19% and then tapered between 50k and 250k profits. Over 250k profits is 25%
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,035
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Whcih tax rise are we talking here?

I see Corp. Tax is going up 6% to 25% in 2023......fucking hell...thats a kick in the balls & a punch in teeth for small little businesses like me.
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People on low pay are going to suffer from that personal tax freeze.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,036
David O'Day said:
Income Tax as freezing the lower threshold just means that as wages rise due to inflation the threshold stays the same so people pay more tax and people who didn't pay tax are then pushed into the tax paying bracket.

Also could corporation tax not be a progressive taxation like income tax? More you earn the more you pay?
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That’s pretty much what he’s doing I think DOD
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,037
David O'Day said:
Also could corporation tax not be a progressive taxation like income tax? More you earn the more you pay?
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CCFCSteve said:
profits below 50k will remain at 19% and tapered between 50k and 250k profits. Over 250k profits is 25%
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Fair enough......panic over....phew
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,038
CCFCSteve said:
profits below 50k will remain at 19% and then tapered between 50k and 250k profits. Over 250k profits is 25%
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So it's going to fuck most businesses and reduce demand
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,039
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...meanwhile their dumb fascination of forever inflating the stupid housing bubble continues......

......stamp duty holidays, guarantees for banks to encourage more reckless lending on overpriced houses......like thats never had a bad ending before....fucking moronic.
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Free market bullshit.
Like a fucking Ponzi scheme.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,040
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Err....they do mention it...and also comment that it was a mistake.

As far as the Beeb are concerned, If the right wing shouty brigade are constantly moaning about it being full of "wokey libtards" & the left wing shouty brigade are screaming "tory propaganda machine" then they're probably still doing their job quite well....
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Nah, they’re right wing economically and socially liberal, which is the opposite of the plurality of British voters. So everyone hates them depending on which they consider more important.

Like the TV version of the Lib Dems, hated by everyone for entirely rational reasons
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,041
David O'Day said:
So it's going to fuck most businesses and reduce demand
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you just said you wanted CT to be progressive ?!. It isThink he mentioned the new full rate will apply to something like 10% of businesses (don’t quote me). Not seen the tapering yet but like that those making the largest profits have to pay a bit more as it still encourages start ups/small businesses
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,042
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
As far as the Beeb are concerned, If the right wing shouty brigade are constantly moaning about it being full of "wokey libtards" & the left wing shouty brigade are screaming "tory propaganda machine" then they're probably still doing their job quite well....
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Bang on...
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,043
Nothing for the NHS it seems
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,044
Anything like a windfall tax on the gig tech winner's from Covid?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,045
David O'Day said:
Nothing for the NHS it seems
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They've already got a new badge....what more do they want.....the moon on a stick?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,046
Anything on investment? Green jobs maybe?
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,047
wingy said:
Anything like a windfall tax on the gig tech winner's from Covid?
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...or the supermarkets?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,048
shmmeee said:
Anything on investment? Green jobs maybe?
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Yeah, there was quite a bit mate. Some quite big stuff around investment. Wasn’t taking notes though so can’t tell you full detail (I’d be guessing some bits). Some interesting/different things....will wait to read some opinion pieces to see whether people in the know think they will be useful/good (some look positive though)
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,049
CCFCSteve said:
you just said you wanted CT to be progressive ?!. It isThink he mentioned the new full rate will apply to something like 10% of businesses (don’t quote me). Not seen the tapering yet but like that those making the largest profits have to pay a bit more as it still encourages start ups/small businesses
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Because it's going to punish a lot of smaller businesses.

Thus reduce demand which I'm not sure if you know isn't a great idea in a demand shock. If business making 95k a year then has to start paying more CT they will look to reduce other costs which is likely to be wages which then reduces demand.

Raise it for the big boys but start the tapering at a much higher level of profit.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #43,050
wingy said:
Anything like a windfall tax on the gig tech winner's from Covid?
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Not that I heard. I was hoping there would be (felt like it would be right). I guess that partially ties into CT increase though
 
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