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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,281
My parents are getting their first dose today!
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,282
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think the creator of the Pfizer vaccine is perhaps worth listening to on how best to administer it G
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Isn’t he the CEO?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,283
Grendel said:
Isn’t he the CEO?
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You know what I mean. He will know far more about the best way to administer it
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,284
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think the creator of the Pfizer vaccine is perhaps worth listening to on how best to administer it G
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He’s not without his own biases, if it doesn’t work it’ll harm confidence in his vaccine. Everyone’s guessing until we get the data in let’s be honest.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,285
Macca said:
Just found out that a now ex friend (fortunately not a close one) has jumped the vaccine queue using some linked leak. What an absolute c**t. A healthy 36 year old
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Missus says that doesn’t work. Apparently people turn up all the time using NHS booking links and they get turned away when they turn up because they aren’t staff.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,286
Macca said:
Just found out that a now ex friend (fortunately not a close one) has jumped the vaccine queue using some linked leak. What an absolute c**t. A healthy 36 year old
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Has he actually had it or just booked it? I noticed when I booked my Mums that there was nothing stopping anyone booking a slot but they say you have to show your invitation letter when you go to the appointment and if you don't have it you'll be turned away. So down to if that is being enforced or not.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,287
Even so does take up appointment slots needlessly.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,288
shmmeee said:
He’s not without his own biases, if it doesn’t work it’ll harm confidence in his vaccine. Everyone’s guessing until we get the data in let’s be honest.
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If the UK’s strategy doesn’t work how would it harm confidence in the vaccine itself?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,289
shmmeee said:
He’s not without his own biases, if it doesn’t work it’ll harm confidence in his vaccine. Everyone’s guessing until we get the data in let’s be honest.
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The point is simply ‘we don’t know if this works with this long a gap’ and we have decided to make the gamble on a large scale. It might well be OK, if so great, if not it’s a problem for all parties. If our death and case numbers weren’t so horrendous we probably wouldn’t have taken the risk.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,290
Macca said:
Just found out that a now ex friend (fortunately not a close one) has jumped the vaccine queue using some linked leak. What an absolute c**t. A healthy 36 year old
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I been offered a link and as much as I want to be vaccinated it isn't fair I jump in front of more vulnerable people.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,291
shmmeee said:
Everyone’s guessing until we get the data in let’s be honest.
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As much as anything, that's why I wouldn't be doing it. Even if it turns out alright, it's still... a big call to go into the unknown.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,292
Liquid Gold said:
I been offered a link and as much as I want to be vaccinated it isn't fair I jump in front of more vulnerable people.
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On a basic level, I'd rather my family were done than me, so why would I risk that not going to plan?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,293
Sick Boy said:
If the UK’s strategy doesn’t work how would it harm confidence in the vaccine itself?
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One because vaccine confidence is fragile generally and any kind of “it doesn’t work” is bad. Two, preliminary data suggests the AZ vaccine does work with that gap.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,294
I find it baffling and concerning how low the take up rate is in care home staff. Should be banned from working there as long as they refuse
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,295
Sick Boy said:
If the UK’s strategy doesn’t work how would it harm confidence in the vaccine itself?
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Its more the impact on shareholder values of the company that pays him if it’s shown to work and the wrath of countries that are following the strategy - one could cynically say that as Europe in particular is lagging behind and supply issues are about to become highlighted his timing is interesting
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,296
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I find it baffling and concerning how low the take up rate is in care home staff. Should be banned from working there as long as they refuse
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Still about one in 5?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,297
shmmeee said:
One because vaccine confidence is fragile generally and any kind of “it doesn’t work” is bad. Two, preliminary data suggests the AZ vaccine does work with that gap.
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I still don’t see how it’s going to harm confidence in the vaccine itself if it’s been administered against its guidelines and works elsewhere.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,298
Sick Boy said:
I still don’t see how it’s going to harm confidence in the vaccine itself if it’s been administered against its guidelines and works elsewhere.
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You don’t think if given the choice people would rather have a vaccine they can spread out?

I’m really not sure why there’s so much pushback against the idea the CEO of a company might be biased about their own product.

If he came out and said “it’ll be fine” and it wasn’t can you imagine the shit? He has to be cautious for legal and financial reasons.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,299
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I find it baffling and concerning how low the take up rate is in care home staff. Should be banned from working there as long as they refuse
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My mum has been done but my sister is still refusing (both work in care homes). Don''t know what to say to her.

My step-dad asked me the other day what I thought about the whole 'big reset' idea. I think I'm going to change his Facebook password and not tell him what it is for a while.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,300
Sky Blue Pete said:
Still about one in 5?
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Latest estimate is that just 2/3 nationally have accepted the offer
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,301
Liquid Gold said:
My mum has been done but my sister is still refusing (both work in care homes). Don''t know what to say to her.

My step-dad asked me the other day what I thought about the whole 'big reset' idea. I think I'm going to change his Facebook password and not tell him what it is for a while.
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What’s your sisters reasoning? Too young to worry, or lizard people controlling her thoughts?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,302
Liquid Gold said:
My mum has been done but my sister is still refusing (both work in care homes). Don''t know what to say to her.

My step-dad asked me the other day what I thought about the whole 'big reset' idea. I think I'm going to change his Facebook password and not tell him what it is for a while.
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What does your sister think will happen if she gets it?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,303
Sick Boy said:

COVID-19: Vaccine doses shouldn't be more than six weeks apart, scientist behind Pfizer-BioNTech jab says

Professor Ugur Sahin says the UK should provide evidence to back up its vaccination strategy.
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The last two paragraphs are good news though. Let's hope he's right about them.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,304
shmmeee said:
What’s your sisters reasoning? Too young to worry, or lizard people controlling her thoughts?
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Her kids are vaccinated fully so she's not an anti-vaxxer, just worried about unknown side effects with it being developed quickly. I've tried telling her it's safe but she's still worried and I don't want to berate her and put her off it just to piss me off.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,305
Had a mate call me last night and ask if he should get the vaccine, been hearing all sorts about side effects apparently. Told him to stop being a twat and get the jab.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,306
shmmeee said:
You don’t think if given the choice people would rather have a vaccine they can spread out?

I’m really not sure why there’s so much pushback against the idea the CEO of a company might be biased about their own product.

If he came out and said “it’ll be fine” and it wasn’t can you imagine the shit? He has to be cautious for legal and financial reasons.
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He might well be, but he also knows more about it because it’s his company’s product and knows the data inside out. It’s a big gamble made out of desperate necessity, not courage or prior evidence.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,307
shmmeee said:
Missus says that doesn’t work. Apparently people turn up all the time using NHS booking links and they get turned away when they turn up because they aren’t staff.
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Think it might depend where you are.
5live program about it the other day and it sounded like it had been happening in Manchester
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,308
shmmeee said:
Had a mate call me last night and ask if he should get the vaccine, been hearing all sorts about side effects apparently. Told him to stop being a twat and get the jab.
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The main side effect is being annoyed by anti vax idiots
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,309
shmmeee said:
You don’t think if given the choice people would rather have a vaccine they can spread out?

I’m really not sure why there’s so much pushback against the idea the CEO of a company might be biased about their own product.

If he came out and said “it’ll be fine” and it wasn’t can you imagine the shit? He has to be cautious for legal and financial reasons.
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I think most people would prefer to know that they’re properly protected against the virus.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,310
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He might well be, but he also knows more about it because it’s his company’s product and knows the data inside out. It’s a big gamble made out of desperate necessity, not courage or prior evidence.
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You know the data better than me but all the evidence we’ve had so far (AZ trial, antibody presence in people who had caught COVID prior to first jab) is suggesting it’s the right reasoning.

We have excellent data too. We’ve been running long term antibody tests so know a lot about how quickly people lose immunity.

Regardless, the official reasoning was even if it doesn’t work having more people slightly protected was better than having fewer people more protected.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,311
Liquid Gold said:
Her kids are vaccinated fully so she's not an anti-vaxxer, just worried about unknown side effects with it being developed quickly. I've tried telling her it's safe but she's still worried and I don't want to berate her and put her off it just to piss me off.
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Apparently az giving side effects in Eu. Wonder why it’s not being talked about in uk? Nothing too serious though
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,312
Liquid Gold said:
My mum has been done but my sister is still refusing (both work in care homes). Don''t know what to say to her.

My step-dad asked me the other day what I thought about the whole 'big reset' idea. I think I'm going to change his Facebook password and not tell him what it is for a while.
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What’s the big reset idea?!
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,313
Sick Boy said:
I think most people would prefer to know that they’re properly protected against the virus.
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That’s an individual decision. The government have to take a population decision and on the stats even if it doesn’t work this prevents more deaths in the population.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,314
Sick Boy said:
What’s the big reset idea?!
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Conspiracy theory starting from this from the WEF: The Great Reset
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2021
  • #42,315
Sick Boy said:
What’s the big reset idea?!
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Some conspiracy bollocks that world leaders and Bill Gates created the pandemic to completely change the economy and people's behaviour so they are in permanent control.
 
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