614,114
Average of 2015-19: 531,129
Is that England and Wales, or UK as a whole?
Sorry, just something doesn't add up here.
Why? 120k covid deaths, many elderly who would probably be expected to die this year anyway.
Is that England and Wales, or UK as a whole?
Sorry, just something doesn't add up here.
I'm trying to compare facts and figures correlating with population growth but pretty much every website has different information.
Even 'full fact' (a source previously used on this board) has posted two corrections on its article.
It's a mire.
Why wouldn’t you just go to the source?
Data isn’t simple. A basic calculation of this year - last year has its caveats (last year might have been a particularly high year, the rate was expected to fall so even a steady rate is a relative rise, etc).
How many caveats you want to account for and how serious you think they are is up to you and your purpose.
England and Wales.
I used the SUM() function, so I’m fairly sure it’s added up.
Surely data is simple here on face value? Either you're breathing or you're not.
So many sources of information say different things, so I don't think it is any conspiracy just to ask questions. So far all we've got is agent Shmmeee with his bloody abacus!
Death rate back to early 2000s levels – Full Fact
The death rate fell considerably over the past two decades, as life expectancy improved. 2020 saw these improvements reversed.fullfact.org
Here's another one. Says that 2008 was worse.
That was the year we had Mifsud, so pretty recent.
Other articles are saying where we are is comparable to one of the years the Luftwaffe came to visit.
Nothing is simple.
But yeah, those numbers I have are about as raw as it gets. Registered deaths by week from the ONS all causes.
Even then: we know January 2020 was unusually low I believe and would drag that number down, similarly Jan 2021 would show huge increases, should we take something like a financial year instead? Always choices to make. Always arguments to have. But at some point you’re either intentionally hiding what the data is telling you it you’re torturing it beyond all recognition.
No serious analysis of the death data during this pandemic is going to come out saying anything other than tens of thousands of extra people died, even with all the restrictions. Equally we will come out with one of, if not the, highest death rates in the world. The reasons for that can, and certainly will, be debated. But the fact remains.
Headlines like this are fucking rife at the moment.
Im struggling this time round If i see much more of this kind of 'news' it just makes it fucking worse.
Sorry about the language. Fucking pissed off
UK's Covid R rate now falls below 1 in EVERY region
Department of Health bosses declared another 15,144 coronavirus infections - down almost 21 per cent in a week, meaning 4million Britons have tested positive since the pandemic began.www.dailymail.co.uk
This scaremongering is really really annoying me now. Quite clearly this article is written to be reactionary.
The gutter press is really reaching a new level of shit in order for clicks at the moment. I agree about giving it a break if your mental health is struggling. All I’ve been looking at are the vaccination graphs that I share on here occasionally.
Mother in law was done yesterday so will be on the next set of numbers. Keep them coming.
We're hopefully going to get some Moderna stock in soon. It would be good timing if that dropped as Pfizer dropped back. My mother in law was given Pfizer so they must be confident of having at least 12 weeks worth of stock on it.Yeah. There will be a drop in the vaccine numbers as Pfizer does some production work, but think we have planned in for that and will move into second jabs while that’s going on.
We're hopefully going to get some Moderna stock in soon. It would be good timing if that dropped as Pfizer dropped back. My mother in law was given Pfizer so they must be confident of having at least 12 weeks worth of stock on it.
We're hopefully going to get some Moderna stock in soon. It would be good timing if that dropped as Pfizer dropped back. My mother in law was given Pfizer so they must be confident of having at least 12 weeks worth of stock on it.
Yeah it’s just toxic. If vaccinations don’t lead to relaxing of measures then good luck convincing people to get them.
Demanding that a date for the end of lockdown is "signed in blood" is interesting wording from those Tory MPs, for a decision that could cost hundreds/thousands of lives!
Couldn't agree more with the advice to take a break from the media every now and again btw.
It's absolute madness to put an arbitrary date on something so changeable. I know the Tory party are just money minded machine men but you think they'd have learned from August/September when it was all "Get back to the office or we'll shift your job to India" then we had to shut the whole country down again. Such short sighted idiocy and I'd be furious if we opened up too soon only to lock down again. As I keep saying, let's just beat it this time.Demanding that a date for the end of lockdown is "signed in blood" is interesting wording from those Tory MPs, for a decision that could cost hundreds/thousands of lives!
Couldn't agree more with the advice to take a break from the media every now and again btw.
Quite a lot of the public don't realise the extent of information available in the public domain. I've got Peston muted on twitter as he posts so much utter drivel and it has such a wide reachYeah, I just visit the vaccine update page once a day to see the new figures. We’re intelligent people here who don’t need hack journalists to analyse the numbers for us and put their spin on.
I won’t be watching the news or briefings until the ‘roadmap’ on the 22nd.
End of 2021 is maybe not entirely stupid. Get everyone done.UK's Covid R rate now falls below 1 in EVERY region
Department of Health bosses declared another 15,144 coronavirus infections - down almost 21 per cent in a week, meaning 4million Britons have tested positive since the pandemic began.www.dailymail.co.uk
This scaremongering is really really annoying me now. Quite clearly this article is written to be reactionary.
End of 2021 is maybe not entirely stupid. Get everyone done.
Disease for some, mutation for others.If few people are at risk of hospitalisation really why would this be necessary?
Disease for some, mutation for others.
Does it hurt to wear a mask and talk to people from two metres plus away? It's not a big ask to finish it off and finish it down.
Well I won't enjoy being told to fend for myself until I've had a vaccine, with everybody in my face all the time because they don't like the imposition.I don’t enjoy either of them and want to teach properly. No thanks if neither I nor anyone I teach nor their parents is at risk of serious illness.
Well I won't enjoy being told to fend for myself until I've had a vaccine, with everybody in my face all the time because they don't like the imposition.
We're not talking that long extra if it's autumn/ end of year.
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