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SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,141
jordan210 said:


This chart is kinda crazy. Shows Us and Sweden and how similar the virus has acted vs two different approaches.

the virus does what it does Regardless of what you do to try stop it.
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Though, of course, one could argue neither really attempted to stop it.
 
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Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,142
Getting me jab this afternoon!
"It's just a little prick with a needle."
"It's what the little prick is gonna do with the needle that concerns me!"
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,143
Houchens Head said:
Getting me jab this afternoon!
"It's just a little prick with a needle."
"It's what the little prick is gonna do with the needle that concerns me!"
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You’re a big boy HH it’ll be ok
 
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Bugsy

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,144
Houchens Head said:
Getting me jab this afternoon!
"It's just a little prick with a needle."
"It's what the little prick is gonna do with the needle that concerns me!"
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nah.. he's going to give the prick a jab with his needle,,,

oj @Houchens Head , hope all goes well if we don't hear from you later we will just have to wait longer.....
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,145
jordan210 said:


This chart is kinda crazy. Shows Us and Sweden and how similar the virus has acted vs two different approaches.

the virus does what it does Regardless of what you do to try stop it.
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Now do Sweden vs its next door neighbours!
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,146
jordan210 said:


This chart is kinda crazy. Shows Us and Sweden and how similar the virus has acted vs two different approaches.

the virus does what it does Regardless of what you do to try stop it.
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And that gentlemen is why johnson and his cronies get away with it.
ITS UNPRECEDENTED
WE HAVE WORKED 24/7
We are doing all we can and always have
It’s just unlucky that we are one of the worst affected countries
No one could have done better

Excuse after excuse after excuse

The media have a lot to answer for as do we for not shouting from the rooftops that the cronyism and inaction and laziness and poor decisions have meant that this has happened not that it was inevitable
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,147
SBT said:
Now do Sweden vs its next door neighbours!
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Good piece on Sweden

Is Sweden's coronavirus strategy a cautionary tale or a success story?

Streets in Stockholm's Old Town were nearly empty in April because of the coronavirus pandemic Sweden was one of the few European countries not to impose a compulsory lockdown. Its unusual strategy for tackling the coronavirus outbreak has been both hailed as a success and condemned as a...
www.newscientist.com
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,148
jordan210 said:


This chart is kinda crazy. Shows Us and Sweden and how similar the virus has acted vs two different approaches.

the virus does what it does Regardless of what you do to try stop it.
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No, that charts shows two countries who decided not to really do anything at the start to slow the virus crossing into our borders and thus make tracing infections more manageable and reducing community transmission once it inevitably got in. Then when it was here failing to bring in things like lockdown/distancing etc earlier to again reduce opportunity for it to spread. And then once they had reducing those controls way to early to allow it to regain a foothold.

So if you want to make that comparison how about comparing against countries that did?

Sweden have admitted they fucked this one right up.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,149
clint van damme said:
They haven't got time to be managing the pandemic and getting up to the old corruption.
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Of course they've got time - it's one and the same to them.

They're managing the pandemic with corruption as the centrepiece of their strategy.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,150
But weird to pick the two internationally recognised worst responses.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No, that charts shows two countries who decided not to really do anything at the start to slow the virus crossing into our borders and thus make tracing infections more manageable and reducing community transmission once it inevitably got in. Then when it was here failing to bring in things like lockdown/distancing etc earlier to again reduce opportunity for it to spread. And then once they had reducing those controls way to early to allow it to regain a foothold.

So if you want to make that comparison how about comparing against countries that did?

Sweden have admitted they fucked this one right up.
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We also never had a death reduction strategy, just a hospital capacity management strategy.
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,151
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No, that charts shows two countries who decided not to really do anything at the start to slow the virus crossing into our borders and thus make tracing infections more manageable and reducing community transmission once it inevitably got in. Then when it was here failing to bring in things like lockdown/distancing etc earlier to again reduce opportunity for it to spread. And then once they had reducing those controls way to early to allow it to regain a foothold.

So if you want to make that comparison how about comparing against countries that did?

Sweden have admitted they fucked this one right up.
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I dint make the charts. Just was interested as shows one country that hasn't realy done anything vs a country that has claimed its done everything.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,152
jordan210 said:
I dint make the charts. Just was interested as shows one country that hasn't realy done anything vs a country that has claimed its done everything.
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Read the article I linked.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,153
SBT said:
Now do Sweden vs its next door neighbours!
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,154
jordan210 said:
I dint make the charts. Just was interested as shows one country that hasn't realy done anything vs a country that has claimed its done everything.
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And given the similarity of the graphs I'd suggest that the country claiming it's done everything isn't being entirely truthful.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,155
chiefdave said:
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the virus does what it does Regardless of what you do to try stop it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,156
shmmeee said:
But weird to pick the two internationally recognised worst responses.


We also never had a death reduction strategy, just a hospital capacity management strategy.
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Wierd that said strategy didn't focus heavily on "if we reduce the chance of it becoming widespread in the community there'll be less people in hospital".

It's been shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, lived a long life in the wild and had its carcass picked clean by scavengers.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,157
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
And given the similarity of the graphs I'd suggest that the country claiming it's done everything isn't being entirely truthful.
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Blah blah new variant blah blah nobody saw it coming blah blah oh what’s that chum, you gave me a party donation? Do have a £50 million contract for nothing
 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

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  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,158
clint van damme said:
They haven't got time to be managing the pandemic and getting up to the old corruption.

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If that’s true, then Hancock is shit at negotiating. 5K in exchange for a 14 mil contract!!
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,159
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
And given the similarity of the graphs I'd suggest that the country claiming it's done everything isn't being entirely truthful.
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Don’t tell anyone they couldn’t have done more and the vaccines are a huge worldwide success
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,160

Bristol Covid variant may reinfect vaccinated Brits, SAGE expert warns

Sir Jeremy Farrar said there were currently 750,000 infections in the UK, 75 times more than the number he wants it to fall to. Another Sage scientist also called for infections to fall further.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,161
Ccfcisparks said:

Bristol Covid variant may reinfect vaccinated Brits, SAGE expert warns

Sir Jeremy Farrar said there were currently 750,000 infections in the UK, 75 times more than the number he wants it to fall to. Another Sage scientist also called for infections to fall further.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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Joyous.

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,162
covmark said:
Joyous.

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
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I keep clicking on this thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.

It's not good for me!
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,163
covmark said:
Joyous.

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The lockdown lovers will like this.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,164
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The lockdown lovers will like this.
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,165
How the fuck is morph win a higher tier than me?

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,166
Ccfcisparks said:

Bristol Covid variant may reinfect vaccinated Brits, SAGE expert warns

Sir Jeremy Farrar said there were currently 750,000 infections in the UK, 75 times more than the number he wants it to fall to. Another Sage scientist also called for infections to fall further.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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Yeah he can fuck off with that
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,167
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The lockdown lovers will like this.
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The freedom conspirators will dislike it.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,168
covmark said:
Joyous.

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
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Aye but if the vaccine nevertheless provides protection against severe disease it isn't a huge problem. I am in no way a denialist but I am finding the recent reporting to be hysterical, particularly in relation to variants and vaccine efficacy.
 
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Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,169
fernandopartridge said:
Aye but if the vaccine nevertheless provides protection against severe disease it isn't a huge problem. I am in no way a denialist but I am finding the recent reporting to be hysterical, particularly in relation to variants and vaccine efficacy.
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Scaremongering and a lot of “could” and “might”
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,170
Appreciating that pharm companies are multinational, but in some respects seeing mutations is good for building understanding of the behaviour of the virus isn't it? Though as i understand it, not many countries carry out genomic sequencing to the extent the UK does.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,171
fernandopartridge said:
Aye but if the vaccine nevertheless provides protection against severe disease it isn't a huge problem. I am in no way a denialist but I am finding the recent reporting to be hysterical, particularly in relation to variants and vaccine efficacy.
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There's been some very irresponsible reporting. I know we're in a clickbait era but surely with something like this it should be reigned in a bit. You see headlines and then read the article to see its one expert who has said something pretty wide ranging but the media have chosen to highlight the worse case scenario and have that as their headline and all over social media.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,172
chiefdave said:
There's been some very irresponsible reporting. I know we're in a clickbait era but surely with something like this it should be reigned in a bit. You see headlines and then read the article to see its one expert who has said something pretty wide ranging but the media have chosen to highlight the worse case scenario and have that as their headline and all over social media.
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It's dangerous. there are a lot of people who're really struggling to cope with lockdown and not seeing people and a sensationalist headline that gives the impression we may end up back at square one could be enough to tip some over the edge.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,173
KPMG have got 3 scenarios in their January economic outlook report. They're based on certain assumptions, all have lockdown ending in April but the worse one has further lockdowns in July, October and November due to the spread of new variants.

I'm not sure where they get the information they base their scenarios on.

Lets hope the upside scenario proves accurate

 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,174
clint van damme said:
KPMG have got 3 scenarios in their January economic outlook report. They're based on certain assumptions, all have lockdown ending in April but the worse one has further lockdowns in July, October and November due to the spread of new variants.

I'm not sure where they get the information they base their scenarios on.

Lets hope the upside scenario proves accurate

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That’s chilling isn’t it?
I do need someone to explain to me why when people won’t get seriously ill we should worry. You know in simple Janet and Jane language

is it mutations are more likely or something else?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2021
  • #42,175
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s chilling isn’t it?
I do need someone to explain to me why when people won’t get seriously ill we should worry. You know in simple Janet and Jane language

is it mutations are more likely or something else?
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There is an argument that higher viral loads would be more conducive to new variants arising. Though I keep saying flu variants arise every year and the annual jabs for that are changed accordingly. They will have big problems with vaccine take up and civil disobedience if they start arguing for lockdowns even after everyone has protection against severe illness.
 
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