Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (17 Viewers)

robbiekeane · Feb 4, 2021

Not related to any recent posts but, I was reading something earlier and I worry quite a lot about the gap between the rich and the poor widening massively after this whole pandemic.

Those with jobs for big companies that are able to work remotely continue to do so, and without the usual places to splash money away (pubs, bars, restaurants etc) they are probably saving a good chunk of change more (I know I am).

Those lucky enough to get 80% of their full time salary on furlough will be okay, but there are quite a lot who fall through the gaps. Zero hour contracts, or lower minimum hour contracts, those newly self employed, new business owners with loans and mortgages etc, must be fucked.

What can we do to help?

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 4, 2021

900 being great is part of the problem with our governments mismanagement of this

covmark · Feb 4, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
900 being great is part of the problem with our governments mismanagement of this

Who thinks 900 is great?

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shmmeee · Feb 4, 2021

You wouldn’t expect such a large drop from vaccines surely? I’d have thought you’d see the effects gradually as we started vaccinating gradually and immunity builds gradually.

Might just be an outlier. Wait for three straight days maybe.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
You wouldn’t expect such a large drop from vaccines surely? I’d have thought you’d see the effects gradually as we started vaccinating gradually and immunity builds gradually.

Might just be an outlier. Wait for three straight days maybe.

It will reflect the drop in cases as well as protective effects of vaccination. As Whitty said this is going to be a slow decline

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 4, 2021

They have probably asked Dido to do the figures she is the Tory Diane Abbott

fernandopartridge · Feb 4, 2021

900 deaths today are a result of cases 3-4 weeks ago. I suspect this is a reporting quirk more than anything. The first place you would expect to see the impact of vaccines is on hospital admission / ICU admission I think.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Feb 4, 2021

Terry Gibson's perm said:
They have probably asked Dido to do the figures she is the Tory Diane Abbott

Priti Patel is the Tory Diane Abbott. Harding isn't an MP

LastGarrison · Feb 4, 2021

This is what his message said:

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 4, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Priti Patel is the Tory Diane Abbott. Harding isn't an MP

Patel is nasty Abbot is just dopey. Harding is a disaster you would think that she was married to a Tory mp to have got theses roles.

shmmeee · Feb 4, 2021

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Patel is nasty Abbot is just dopey. Harding is a disaster you would think that she was married to a Tory mp to have got theses roles.

Patel is both nasty and dopey.

She’s got the nickname Priti Vacant among Tory MPs for a reason.

David O'Day · Feb 4, 2021

Mother of boy filmed verbally abusing Chris Whitty confiscates his PlayStation

Woman says her son is ‘actually quite intelligent’ despite making false claims about coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

CCFCSteve · Feb 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
It will reflect the drop in cases as well as protective effects of vaccination. As Whitty said this is going to be a slow decline

Yeah, you, shmmeee and Fernando are right, the deaths will be a slow decline unfortunately but hopefully heading in the right direction.

What will be interesting is whether the findings that the AZ vaccine (hopefully) reduces tranissibility will alter the modelling. I think the ones Witty was referring to assume the vaccines have no impact on transmissibility.

Assuming the vaccines’ efficacies remain strong (ie no issues with new variants) in conjunction with reduced transmissibility, we could start seeing a real positive impact on case numbers sooner than currently forecast. Let’s hope so anyway

ps for those interested, 469k vaccines today. 20k new cases (but this is based on 800k tests, which is significantly higher than the last couple of day’s so hopefully reflects a continued declining trend)

David O'Day · Feb 4, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
900 deaths today are a result of cases 3-4 weeks ago. I suspect this is a reporting quirk more than anything. The first place you would expect to see the impact of vaccines is on hospital admission / ICU admission I think.

Yeah you would definitely expect to see admissions and icu admission drop first withteh vaccines.

A good measure is looking at the by day of death figuresit's better than the reporting day figures but has a data lag.

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Figures do look we are still likely to be seeing 1000 deaths a day

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 4, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, you, shmmeee and Fernando are right, the deaths will be a slow decline unfortunately but hopefully heading in the right direction.

What will be interesting is whether the findings that the AZ vaccine (hopefully) reduces tranissibility will alter the modelling. I think the ones Witty was referring to assume the vaccines have no impact on transmissibility.

Assuming the vaccines’ efficacies remain strong (ie no issues with new variants) in conjunction with reduced transmissibility, we could start seeing a real positive impact on case numbers sooner than currently forecast. Let’s hope so anyway

ps for those interested, 469k vaccines today. 20k new cases (but this is based on 800k tests, which is significantly higher than the last couple of day’s so hopefully reflects a continued declining trend)

The Warwick study puts transmissibility as one of 3 big unknowns that would make a change to the modelling. Another being impact on serious illness

skybluetony176 · Feb 4, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Priti Patel is the Tory Diane Abbott. Harding isn't an MP

The whole cabinet is a cabinet of Diane Abbot, the PM being the biggest Diane Abbot out the lot.

Saddlebrains · Feb 4, 2021

I rang my doctors today (ongoing shoulder issue that wont get better), receptionist told me 'oh i can see you're asthmatic, we will be calling you in 3 or 4 weeks for your covid jab'

Im 30.

Wasn't expecting it for a good while yet, but its good to see that things so far are going swimmingly

shmmeee · Feb 4, 2021

Oh fuck all the way off love.

shmmeee · Feb 4, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
900 deaths today are a result of cases 3-4 weeks ago. I suspect this is a reporting quirk more than anything. The first place you would expect to see the impact of vaccines is on hospital admission / ICU admission I think.

Didn’t someone say the makeup of patients in ICU is already changing with more younger ones?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Feb 4, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
The whole cabinet is a cabinet of Diane Abbot, the PM being the biggest Diane Abbot out the lot.

#We all dream of a cabinet of Diane Abbots#

*we don't really

CCFCSteve · Feb 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
Didn’t someone say the makeup of patients in ICU is already changing with more younger ones?

Think I said that would hopefully be the case as older groups get vaccinated (percentage of younger people of total in ICU should increase - which bizarrely would be positive as showing signs vaccines are working). It might have started to already but guessing a bit soon to tell.

The biggest bit of positive news we can all hope for in the short term is proof that AZ vaccine does work as well for over 65s. all scientists have suggested it should do but it will put to bed some of the concerns over lack of data raised by other nations

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 4, 2021

Lol

Is Keir up to the job? Starmer misery as poll shows just 16% would prefer him as prime minister | Daily Mail Online

Brylowes · Feb 4, 2021

robbiekeane said:
Not related to any recent posts but, I was reading something earlier and I worry quite a lot about the gap between the rich and the poor widening massively after this whole pandemic.

Those with jobs for big companies that are able to work remotely continue to do so, and without the usual places to splash money away (pubs, bars, restaurants etc) they are probably saving a good chunk of change more (I know I am).

Those lucky enough to get 80% of their full time salary on furlough will be okay, but there are quite a lot who fall through the gaps. Zero hour contracts, or lower minimum hour contracts, those newly self employed, new business owners with loans and mortgages etc, must be fucked.

What can we do to help?

Sadly this is always the way isn’t it.
When it rains the poor get the wettest, when the sun shines the poor get burnt.
The 2008 banking crisis wholly caused by the exploits and insatiable greed of a privileged few will be being paid off by the poorest members of society for decades to come, this latest crisis will compound that.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 4, 2021

Brylowes said:
Sadly this is always the way isn’t it.
When it rains the poor get the wettest, when the sun shines the poor get burnt.
The 2008 banking crisis wholly caused by the exploits and insatiable greed of a privileged few will be being paid off by the poorest members of society for decades to come, this latest crisis will compound that.

Look what's been happening in the US. Stock market soars, Bezos adds tens of billions to his wealth while tens of millions lose their jobs and have to fight to get paltry one off payments while paying for their COVID tests.

fernandopartridge · Feb 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
Didn’t someone say the makeup of patients in ICU is already changing with more younger ones?

Think that had been the case pre vaccination tbh, it's always been the case that most hospital admissions are working aged, just that the most likely deaths are the elderly

robbiekeane · Feb 4, 2021

Brylowes said:
Sadly this is always the way isn’t it.
When it rains the poor get the wettest, when the sun shines the poor get burnt.
The 2008 banking crisis wholly caused by the exploits and insatiable greed of a privileged few will be being paid off by the poorest members of society for decades to come, this latest crisis will compound that.

fernandopartridge said:
Think that had been the case pre vaccination tbh, it's always been the case that most hospital admissions are working aged, just that the most likely deaths are the elderly

I agree and obviously there's nothing we (on SBT) can do about that unfortunately with all the will in the world. But, what can we do? I know MMJ had a season ticket fund...is there a way we can do even tesco vouchers or something? I feel like there would be lots who would need but might be too proud to say so.

Brylowes · Feb 4, 2021

robbiekeane said:
I agree and obviously there's nothing we (on SBT) can do about that unfortunately with all the will in the world. But, what can we do? I know MMJ had a season ticket fund...is there a way we can do even tesco vouchers or something? I feel like there would be lots who would need but might be too proud to say so.

The only possible way to change things would be to completely overhaul the system.
And it’s a very cleverly orchestrated system ‘so much so‘ that the people who are always made to pay the price are more than happy to put all their trust and hopes into the hands of those who always make sure it’s them that pay it.

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Lol

Is Keir up to the job? Starmer misery as poll shows just 16% would prefer him as prime minister | Daily Mail Online

Which member of the Johnson family wrote this.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 4, 2021

Top 1% in the world gained £3.9tn which is roughly in line with the £3.7tn lost by workers mainly women and young people

And the order of the world is not fucked?

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 4, 2021

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Which member of the Johnson family wrote this.

Johnson's Scottish copycat getting high approval ratings for just slightly tweaking whatever he says and does at slightly different times.

Definitely not obsessed with England though.

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Johnson's Scottish copycat getting high approval ratings for just slightly tweaking whatever he says and does at slightly different times.

Definitely not obsessed with England though.

The quality of politicians is at an all time low when you look at these people.

Brylowes · Feb 4, 2021

Terry Gibson's perm said:
The quality of politicians is at an all time low when you look at these people.

In line with the quality of the electorate it would seem.

Brylowes · Feb 4, 2021

Brylowes said:
In line with the quality of the electorate it would seem.

Or at least their ability to think critically.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 4, 2021

Brylowes said:
Or at least their ability to think critically.

Trump, Bolsonaro, Johnson, Duterte, Modi all in charge at a time when a pandemic lets rip. Not just a British problem unfortunately

Brylowes · Feb 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Trump, Bolsonaro, Johnson, Duterte, Modi all in charge at a time when a pandemic lets rip. Not just a British problem unfortunately

No definitely not, this cancer is global and its growing.

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