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clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,861
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Wonder how we’re going to manage the top groups getting their second jabs in time while also maintaining first jabs for the groups after.
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Been saying this for a while but I do know they're trying to get Stoneleigh Deer Park up and running as a 24hr operation though there are some challenges to ovecome.
I'd imagine they're trying to do the same in other centres around the country.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,862
clint van damme said:
Been saying this for a while but I do know they're trying to get Stoneleigh Deer Park up and running as a 24hr operation though there are some challenges to ovecome.
I'd imagine they're trying to do the same in other centres around the country.
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I saw some talk about ring fencing the second jabs?
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,863
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I saw some talk about ring fencing the second jabs?
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not sure what you mean? Stopping first time jabs while the second round is completed?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,864
clint van damme said:
not sure what you mean? Stopping first time jabs while the second round is completed?
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One of the scientific advisors was suggesting that some doses are held back specifically for second jabs while we know we have the stock
 

chiefdave

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,865
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I saw some talk about ring fencing the second jabs?
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My doctors had been getting through 800-1000 people a day but they closed their vaccination service last weekend. They have said they have vaccines but are awaiting the go ahead from NHS England. Wonder if they're been held for second doses? Although if they are why not get on with them instead of enforcing the 12 week gap.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,866
chiefdave said:
My doctors had been getting through 800-1000 people a day but they closed their vaccination service last weekend. They have said they have vaccines but are awaiting the go ahead from NHS England. Wonder if they're been held for second doses? Although if they are why not get on with them instead of enforcing the 12 week gap.
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Yep and I don’t like leaving the maximum possible time in case the appointment can’t be kept
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,867
Brighton Sky Blue said:
One of the scientific advisors was suggesting that some doses are held back specifically for second jabs while we know we have the stock
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I assumed that would happen, especially considering we have less stock of the Pfizer vaccine.

They're trialling 'mix and match' vaccinations at the moment so that may help if successful.

I think staffing is a big issue as well, which is probably why we hit nearly 600k one day over the weekend when more vaccinators were available.
 
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  • Feb 4, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yep and I don’t like leaving the maximum possible time in case the appointment can’t be kept
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Yeah, illness, injury, bad weather (even in April) and no stretch time is, again... brave.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2021
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah, illness, injury, bad weather (even in April) and no stretch time is, again... brave.
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I’d feel a lot better if they’d set it at 10 or even 11 just for contingency’s sake
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,870
What’s the relevance of 12 weeks? Is it just we don’t have data past that?
 

torchomatic

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,871
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What category are you in Torch?
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In the CEV category. All due to my bone marrow transplant.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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shmmeee said:
What’s the relevance of 12 weeks? Is it just we don’t have data past that?
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Still no data on the Pfizer one that 12 weeks is OK, I think (may be since I last checked, tend to get all my hideous news from this thread atm!!), so I guess you could argue, what's a week or two between friends?

Think there is data the Oxford one is OK at 12 but, as we see with other countries, I'll be happier once there's fairly uniform agreement that's the way to go.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,873
shmmeee said:
What’s the relevance of 12 weeks? Is it just we don’t have data past that?
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Is there any data for 12 weeks at all? I'm not sure they did any trials.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,874
David O'Day said:
Is there any data for 12 weeks at all? I'm not sure they did any trials.
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That study that came out a few days ago went to 90 days, which is longer than 12 weeks.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,875
shmmeee said:
That study that came out a few days ago went to 90 days, which is longer than 12 weeks.
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The AZ one? That is still in preprint and needs to be reviewed.

Biontech warn against doing the same with their vaccine
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,876
David O'Day said:
The AZ one? That is still in preprint and needs to be reviewed.

Biontech warn against doing the same with vaccine
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Hadn’t realised we were talking about the Pfizer one. It’s a fair point, but lack of data is just that, you can’t assume either way and most of what I’ve seen generally is a longer break isn’t an issue. Manufacturers are always going to distance themselves from guidelines, they’re there as much to protect them as anyone else.

I’m happy enough with the strategy right now. It’s a risk, but a calculated one and we should know soon enough if it pays off.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 4, 2021
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shmmeee said:
Hadn’t realised we were talking about the Pfizer one. It’s a fair point, but lack of data is just that, you can’t assume either way and most of what I’ve seen generally is a longer break isn’t an issue. Manufacturers are always going to distance themselves from guidelines, they’re there as much to protect them as anyone else.

I’m happy enough with the strategy right now. It’s a risk, but a calculated one and we should know soon enough if it pays off.
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I'd be happier if they could produce the science behind it but it really isn't there. The reports on the the Pfizer vaccine make a massive assumption that the level after 21 days won't drop by much without the booster at that point. They don't have this data though as they are looking at Israel were people are getting the booster at 21 days.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,878
shmmeee said:
Hadn’t realised we were talking about the Pfizer one. It’s a fair point, but lack of data is just that, you can’t assume either way and most of what I’ve seen generally is a longer break isn’t an issue. Manufacturers are always going to distance themselves from guidelines, they’re there as much to protect them as anyone else.

I’m happy enough with the strategy right now. It’s a risk, but a calculated one and we should know soon enough if it pays off.
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In principle it shouldn’t be much different as the mode of vaccination is the same ie expression of the spike protein. Though yes it would be nice to have confirmation
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,879
stupot07 said:
Lies lies lies. Money well spent bringing her in to lead test and trace...back in October to the select committee she said "no one had anticipated a second wave"...now "no one anticipated mutations...."


Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
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It's almost like she's got fuck all experience in this particular field....


Mind you, neither have I. And I predicted both.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,880
hill83 said:
She doesn’t even know why her teas gone cold to be fair.
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But no-one could have predicted that the heat would dissipate into a colder surrounding environment via convection....
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,881
Deleted member 5849 said:
Still no data on the Pfizer one that 12 weeks is OK, I think (may be since I last checked, tend to get all my hideous news from this thread atm!!), so I guess you could argue, what's a week or two between friends?

Think there is data the Oxford one is OK at 12 but, as we see with other countries, I'll be happier once there's fairly uniform agreement that's the way to go.
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Well they could be taking a different route/stance and going younger first, which by definition could also prevent spread and protect the old that way?
Regards the mix/match study is interesting but if successful will be limited in delivery due to the logistical constraints-20 and-80 degree for delivery etc.
 
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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,882
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Though yes it would be nice to have confirmation
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Yep. I appreciate I'm cautious on such things, but it makes me nervous when corners are cut, even if seemingly innocuous ones, as it makes me wonder where else they're being cut. Now, tbf, this seems to be led by the scientists (if Government were leading it, I would be VERY NERVOUS INDEED) but nonetheless, go through the procedures, even if accelerated.

Now, I hadn't even considered it before all the EU refusing to allow the Oxford vaccine to be used for political reasons gubbins on this thread but, of course, you could also claim that we've accelerated the process and cut corners so we can claim to be first, and claim a political victory of being one step ahead of the EU.

I'd rather not think that, nor the other, but I'll be a lot happier once there's pretty strong consensus across nations (for it's nations that are holding back, not trading blocs) that the data is all fine and dandy, and everyone's happy it shows what they expect and hope for it to show.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,883
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's almost like she's got fuck all experience in this particular field....


Mind you, neither have I. And I predicted both.
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She is a joke and sadly in the wrong position for her abilities it’s just jobs for Johnson’s pals. I am surprised I haven’t seen one of those petitions to remove here.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,884
Terry Gibson's perm said:
She is a joke and sadly in the wrong position for her abilities it’s just jobs for Johnson’s pals. I am surprised I haven’t seen one of those petitions to remove here.
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SBT isn’t that bad
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,885
Brighton Sky Blue said:
SBT isn’t that bad
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Her this phone drives me crazy must have been made by ccfc4l.

Must either that or the home schooling.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,886
Polling 43% though, they know they can do whatever they want.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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Liquid Gold said:
Polling 43% though, they know they can do whatever they want.
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My mother in law thinks Johnson is doing a brilliant job, even my own mother says who could have done better I just have to ignore it now it makes my head spin.
 

LastGarrison

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,888
One of my team got notification today that he should hear about his vaccine date in the next 1-2 weeks.

He has only just turned 30 but does have underlying health issues.

He was very surprised and didn’t think he would hear anything until around April.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,889
Terry Gibson's perm said:
My mother in law thinks Johnson is doing a brilliant job, even my own mother says who could have done better I just have to ignore it now it makes my head spin.
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National crises are a free pass.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,890
LastGarrison said:
One of my team got notification today that he should hear about his vaccine date in the next 1-2 weeks.

He has only just turned 30 but does have underlying health issues.

He was very surprised and didn’t think he would hear anything until around April.
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Im 39 with no health conditions. A few months back the calculator said 2022, now it says May
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,891
shmmeee said:
Im 39 with no health conditions. A few months back the calculator said 2022, now it says May
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Can't see that being right when they're on about the 9 categories of group one being done by end of July
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,893
clint van damme said:
Can't see that being right when they're on about the 9 categories of group one being done by end of July
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Zahawi was heavily implying that the top 9 groups would get first jabs by late March
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2021
  • #41,894
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Zahawi was heavily implying that the top 9 groups would get first jabs by late March
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I've just realised the calculator I've been.looking at gives thr expected time range of 2nd jab so I'm over the moon now!!
 
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jordan210

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  • Feb 4, 2021
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Deaths are massively down today. Closer to 900. Cant remember seeing a number that low for a long time (ignoring lag days)

Hopefully this is the vaccine working.
 
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