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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 2, 2021
  • #41,791
Brylowes said:
This could put the “Bat among the Pigeons“
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjkrv3Fn8zuAhVOe8AKHTBeCakQFjAKegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcovid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781&usg=AOvVaw1M3IYVYTOiWjbQPeJ6tBoC
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That says nothing other than they'll test all hypotheses.
 

Brylowes

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  • Feb 2, 2021
  • #41,792
Deleted member 5849 said:
That says nothing other than they'll test all hypotheses.
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I know, just altered my post, forgot to finish it before.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2021
  • #41,793
chiefdave said:
Sweden, Poland & Germany have also said under 65s only and Belgium & Italy have gone even further and said under 55s. Hopefully they're just being over cautious until more data is available.
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It's a nice easy way out of a contract with AZ
 
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covmark

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  • Feb 2, 2021
  • #41,794
Deleted member 5849 said:
I wish we waited for the evidence.
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It won't be long till we find out if they're correct or not.

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Brylowes

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,795
covmark said:
It won't be long till we find out if they're correct or not.

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With 10 million people (inc myself ) already jabbed up ‘let’s Hope they’ve got this spot on
 

We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,796
fernandopartridge said:
It's a nice easy way out of a contract with AZ
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It's obviously just a way to save face, given they've ballsed up by not ordering enough, soon enough. Looks like we may have become independent at just the right time.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,797
Brylowes said:
With 10 million people (inc myself ) already jabbed up ‘let’s Hope they’ve got this spot on
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The antibody counts in both groups are pretty similar
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,798
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Rich said:
It's obviously just a way to save face, given they've ballsed up by not ordering enough, soon enough. Looks like we may have become independent at just the right time.
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I don't agree this proves Brexit was correct. There are plenty of negatives at the minute, Just ask the fishing industry.

However, I agree they've messed up. What I don't understand is the Germans saying the data is flawed but they were quite happy to pluck the 8 percent effacacy figure out the air based on nothing.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,799
Had my vaccine this morning. Like a military operation at the golf club in Leek Wootton. I was the youngest by a long chalk.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,800
torchomatic said:
Had my vaccine this morning. Like a military operation at the golf club in Leek Wootton. I was the youngest by a long chalk.
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What category are you in Torch?
 

We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,801
clint van damme said:
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I don't agree this proves Brexit was correct. There are plenty of negatives at the minute, Just ask the fishing industry.

However, I agree they've messed up. What I don't understand is the Germans saying the data is flawed but they were quite happy to pluck the 8 percent effacacy figure out the air based on nothing.
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Agreed it doesn't prove Brexit correct, but it is one example of our ability to make decisions in our own best interests. Hopefully as we move forward with independence, we shall see more examples that benefit our nation.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,802
clint van damme said:
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I don't agree this proves Brexit was correct. There are plenty of negatives at the minute, Just ask the fishing industry.

However, I agree they've messed up. What I don't understand is the Germans saying the data is flawed but they were quite happy to pluck the 8 percent effacacy figure out the air based on nothing.
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That 2 issues, the 8% was someone misunderstanding the numbers in a trial and leaking it to a newspaper.

What the Koch institute are saying is they don't think the study included enough over 65s for them to be happy to approve the results.
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,803
Rich said:
Agreed it doesn't prove Brexit correct, but it is one example of our ability to make decisions in our own best interests. Hopefully as we move forward with independence, we shall see more examples that benefit our nation.
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We could have gone down the route we have if we were still in the EU, as Hungary, who are still a member, have proven.
My issue is with their bully boy tactics since it became clear they've messed up regarding supply.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,804
clint van damme said:
What I don't understand is the Germans saying the data is flawed but they were quite happy to pluck the 8 percent effacacy figure out the air based on nothing.
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A newspaper misinterpreted that. The German government are just saying there's not enough data... yet. That also seems the approach of France. Whenever the data is there to prove it's fine for over 65s, they'll use it.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,805
clint van damme said:
My issue is with their bully boy tactics since it became clear they've messed up regarding supply.
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The EU have a long history of employing bully boy tactics....they're just usually employed to trample over democratic decisions taken by sovereign states.....its just in this case, its to cover their own incompetent arses.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,806
Worth noting it's the individual countries choosing not to use it for over 65s rather than the EU (which has approved it!)
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,807
Deleted member 5849 said:
A newspaper misinterpreted that. The German government are just saying there's not enough data... yet. That also seems the approach of France. Whenever the data is there to prove it's fine for over 65s, they'll use it.
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Leaked to a broadsheet and a tabloid. It's a tactic we've seen here many times.
I'm not buying into it being an innocent mix up because it happened in Germany.
I get the point of view of the Koch institute but there was a paper in the Lancet offering a counter point of view.

Both opinions garnered by people far smarter than me but I'm going with the Lancet because it's the more optimistic!!
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,808
Potentially the best news in 12 months

Covid-19: Study showing Oxford vaccine slows virus spread 'superb' - Hancock

As results show the Oxford jab may cut transmission, the health secretary says it offers a "way out".
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,809
 
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hill83

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,810
Dido Harding saying “We have seen the new variant emerge, which was something that none of us were able to predict.”

Yeah......

Edit: just seen post above
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,811
fernandopartridge said:
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My understanding is that many were offered and asked and refused and she stepped up
 

ajsccfc

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,812
skybluetony176 said:
Potentially the best news in 12 months

Covid-19: Study showing Oxford vaccine slows virus spread 'superb' - Hancock

As results show the Oxford jab may cut transmission, the health secretary says it offers a "way out".
www.bbc.co.uk
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Considering we previously just had that dodgy happy professor saying 'it'll be alright by Christmas if we smile more', it's such a nicer feeling to get some actual real reasons to be optimistic.
 
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Macca

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,813
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What category are you in Torch?
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Grumpy old man
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,814
skybluetony176 said:
Potentially the best news in 12 months

Covid-19: Study showing Oxford vaccine slows virus spread 'superb' - Hancock

As results show the Oxford jab may cut transmission, the health secretary says it offers a "way out".
www.bbc.co.uk
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While more and more is pointing to a normal ish summer here, overseas travel should be discouraged
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,815
Rich said:
It's obviously just a way to save face, given they've ballsed up by not ordering enough, soon enough. Looks like we may have become independent at just the right time.
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The US hasn't approved it yet either, and they've been among the most aggressive in terms of approving vaccines. Even if the EU hasn't covered itself in glory here, I think it's more likely that they share similar concerns about AZ's methodology, rather than some kind of conspiracy to get out of a contract they should be desperate to see honoured.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,816
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
The EU have a long history of employing bully boy tactics....they're just usually employed to trample over democratic decisions taken by sovereign states.....its just in this case, its to cover their own incompetent arses.
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Do you think there’s a similarly sized trading block that doesn’t employ these tactics? China? USA?

If not, how exactly does leaving help? We are neither protected from the antics nor able to influence them.
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,817
With all this positive news and data coming out,,does anyone want to have a stab at predicting what the residual effect will be.
Where we will be in a year or two ,and just what is likely to happen in the portion of society that does not become covered either through the percentage efficacy or non take up?
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,818
wingy said:
With all this positive news and data coming out,,does anyone want to have a stab at predicting what the residual effect will be.
Where we will be in a year or two ,and just what is likely to happen in the portion of society that does not become covered either through the percentage efficacy or non take up?
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Board Up their doors, paint a big red X on the front, crack on with life.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,819
What does one do about a vaccine sceptic in the family though. My sister works in care homes and hasn't signed up to get it yet. My mother was the same but she went and had it done after something in the news spooked her.

She's not normally an anti vax nutter, all her kids are vaccinated and everything. She's just worried about the speed it's been developed in.

I've been on at her about her putting the residents at risk, that it's been approved, linking to studies about it working and she's still not making her mind up. I don't want to put too much pressure on her and put her off the whole thing just to piss me off but I want her to get fucking jabbed.

Any advice?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,820
Liquid Gold said:
What does one do about a vaccine sceptic in the family though. My sister works in care homes and hasn't signed up to get it yet. My mother was the same but she went and had it done after something in the news spooked her.

She's not normally an anti vax nutter, all her kids are vaccinated and everything. She's just worried about the speed it's been developed in.

I've been on at her about her putting the residents at risk, that it's been approved, linking to studies about it working and she's still not making her mind up. I don't want to put too much pressure on her and put her off the whole thing just to piss me off but I want her to get fucking jabbed.

Any advice?
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What is she worried about happening?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,821
Liquid Gold said:
What does one do about a vaccine sceptic in the family though. My sister works in care homes and hasn't signed up to get it yet. My mother was the same but she went and had it done after something in the news spooked her.

She's not normally an anti vax nutter, all her kids are vaccinated and everything. She's just worried about the speed it's been developed in.

I've been on at her about her putting the residents at risk, that it's been approved, linking to studies about it working and she's still not making her mind up. I don't want to put too much pressure on her and put her off the whole thing just to piss me off but I want her to get fucking jabbed.

Any advice?
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The development speed of a normal vaccine is down to £ more than anything else. The widespread impact of covid has meant that governments have underwritten massive investments straight off the bat, that's meant significantly more resource for the entire end to end process which means it is a lot quicker to bring something to market.

The vaccines have been through the same trial processes as any other vaccine and have been approved by regulatory bodies.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,822
Liquid Gold said:
What does one do about a vaccine sceptic in the family though. My sister works in care homes and hasn't signed up to get it yet. My mother was the same but she went and had it done after something in the news spooked her.

She's not normally an anti vax nutter, all her kids are vaccinated and everything. She's just worried about the speed it's been developed in.

I've been on at her about her putting the residents at risk, that it's been approved, linking to studies about it working and she's still not making her mind up. I don't want to put too much pressure on her and put her off the whole thing just to piss me off but I want her to get fucking jabbed.

Any advice?
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I’ve posted this before but worth posting again.

Redirect Notice

The biggest misconception is the work on the vaccine started when the pandemic began.
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And they had already developed a ChAdOx1 vaccine for Mers , which could train the immune system to spot the spike. The Oxford team were not starting from scratch.

"If this had been a completely unknown virus, then we'd have been in a very different position," Prof Pollard added.
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I’d argue that’s more reassuring than the funding side of it.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,823
fernandopartridge said:
The development speed of a normal vaccine is down to £ more than anything else. The widespread impact of covid has meant that governments have underwritten massive investments straight off the bat, that's meant significantly more resource for the entire end to end process which means it is a lot quicker to bring something to market.

The vaccines have been through the same trial processes as any other vaccine and have been approved by regulatory bodies.
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I know this. I don't think there has been anything posted about vaccines on here that I haven't sent over

Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is she worried about happening?
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She once laughed and said she's not getting it because she doesn't want to grow two heads but generally seems to just be uncomfortable at the idea of unknown negative side effects.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,824
shmmeee said:
Board Up their doors, paint a big red X on the front, crack on with life.
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tattoo to the forehead
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2021
  • #41,825
Over 10 million people have received the first jab
 
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