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ajsccfc

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  • Jan 30, 2021
  • #41,616
Wasn't expecting to read here that the R rate is accurate yet the death rate is a cover for an outbreak of Rod Hulls across the country
 
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Brylowes

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  • Jan 30, 2021
  • #41,617
ajsccfc said:
Wasn't expecting to read here that the R rate is accurate yet the death rate is a cover for an outbreak of Rod Hulls across the country
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E MUst have been joking.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,618
Sorry if this has already posted, but it explains about the first few days of the outbreak and how Chinese authorities covered it up and tried to keep it hush hush.

BBC News - Covid-19: Five days that shaped the outbreak

Covid-19: Five days that shaped the outbreak

Before Wuhan was locked down in January 2020 officials said the outbreak was under control - but the virus had spread inside and outside the city.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,619
Worth a read.

In other important news Mumsy goes for her first jab today.

 
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Deleted member 4439

Guest
  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,620
Folks might be interested in 54 Days - China and the Pandemic, aired on the beeb earlier this week - it's on iplayer - good watch.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,621
Philosorapter said:
Worth a read.

In other important news Mumsy goes for her first jab today.

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Sobering 50% of patients in itu under 60
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,622
Sky Blue Pete said:
Reflects mainly that in the last 12 days 6000 have left hospital many of them in bags as they account for many of the 15000 or so that have died since that date

Awful
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Thats not what it reflects though Pete. There are still large numbers of hospital admissions on a daily basis (2k-3k per day in England and during that period probably around 35k new admissions in total). The net number is finally starting to reduce though. Whilst the numbers dying have been/are horrific, this is hopefully showing that pressure on the NHS is finally starting to reduce and the death numbers should start to follow. Whist there’s still a long way to go, this is hopefully a reflection that the vaccination programme is starting to have an affect and there is some hope
 

stupot07

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,623

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,624
Sky Blue Pete said:
Sobering 50% of patients in itu under 60
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Scary. However whilst we all want the total number of patients in ITU/ICU to reduce, we actually (bizarrely) want that percentage to increase over the short term as it should indicate that the vaccine is working in older age groups
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,625
CCFCSteve said:
Scary. However whilst we all want the total number of patients in ITU/ICU to reduce, we actually (bizarrely) want that percentage to increase over the short term as it should indicate that the vaccine is working in older age groups
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I read somewhere and think I posted link in here that some off the pressure on icu is patients taking up beds who 6 months ago would have died so perversely the high occupancy rate does have a silver lining.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,626
stupot07 said:

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
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Hes absolutely correct, but fuck me I can't stand that twat.. He's vile
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,627
Evo1883 said:
Hes absolutely correct, but fuck me I can't stand that twat.. Bigoted bastard
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He's a great writer. Love his books.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,628
Some talk on Marr of hospitality not reopening in the summer. Sorry if this depresses the fuck out of you but if I'm going down I'm dragging you with me.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,629
Skybluefaz said:
Some talk on Marr of hospitality not reopening in the summer. Sorry if this depresses the fuck out of you but if I'm going down I'm dragging you with me.
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If we get the 9 groups done before then they can piss off with that.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,630
clint van damme said:
He's a great writer. Love his books.
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He is... He also played in a band called stairway 13 (in reference to the ibrox disaster) , refers to rangers fans as sticky buns (clearly huns) and suggested morelos should be chopped up into pieces..

He's a sectarian bigot

He's correct in that tweet though
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,631
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If we get the 9 groups done before then they can piss off with that.
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Can't find the link but Marr asked Truss about the rumours bars, restaurants and theaters will remain shut during the summer and she basically said it's too early to speculate. I really think if there was a plan people would be more compliant.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,632
Skybluefaz said:
Can't find the link but Marr asked Truss about the rumours bars, restaurants and theaters will remain shut during the summer and she basically said it's too early to speculate. I really think if there was a plan people would be more compliant.
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My view has been just decide on a vaccination target alongside a measure of NHS burden as a green light for increased lifting of restrictions. It’s feeling that there’s no end in sight that makes it hard to keep plugging away.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,633
Skybluefaz said:
Some talk on Marr of hospitality not reopening in the summer. Sorry if this depresses the fuck out of you but if I'm going down I'm dragging you with me.
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Thanks Faz, I was trying to lift the spirits on here !!! I was discussing this with my mate last night though. There’s loads of dates being thrown around (May/June) but none of us know what the numbers will look like in three weeks let alone three or four months. Surely if case numbers reduce and stay significantly lower and pressure is reduced on NHS (by higher risks all being vaccinated) Id like to think there is no reason why it can’t be sooner....assuming no horrible new variants

Well, that’s what I keep telling myself anyway .
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,634
Brighton Sky Blue said:
My view has been just decide on a vaccination target alongside a measure of MHS burden as a green light for increased lifting of restrictions. It’s feeling that there’s no end in sight that makes it hard to keep plugging away.
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Exactly. I’m hoping they’re just caught in a ‘not wanting to over promise’ mindset after what happened at Christmas
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,635
CCFCSteve said:
Exactly. I’m hoping they’re just caught in a ‘not wanting to over promise’ mindset after what happened at Christmas
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You wouldn’t be promising timelines though, just measurable targets that are related to progress against the virus.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,636
Skybluefaz said:
Can't find the link but Marr asked Truss about the rumours bars, restaurants and theaters will remain shut during the summer and she basically said it's too early to speculate. I really think if there was a plan people would be more compliant.
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As much as I think she's useless I agree with her on this

If they set arbitrary dates then people will expect hospitality to reopen even if it starts a 3rd wave.

I really hope there is some sort of reopening by summer because I'm getting fucking sick of this now but I don't want another short reopening followed by another 4 month lock down,.That would be intolerable.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,637
Concerns me seeing Starmer push for teacher vaccination over half term. That doesn’t actually do anything about schools being vectors for transmission to the wider community with most parents not being vaccinated yet. It also includes the baffling idea that a vaccinated teacher would still need to isolate?
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,638
clint van damme said:
As much as I think she's useless I agree with her on this

If they set arbitrary dates then people will expect hospitality to reopen even if it starts a 3rd wave.

I really hope there is some sort of reopening by summer because I'm getting fucking sick of this now but I don't want another short reopening followed by another 4 month lock down,.That would be intolerable.
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Yeah I'm not so much looking for a date, but if there are some metrics we are looking at like X amount of hospital admissions + Y amount of vulnerable people vaccinated before we can open up then personally I'd take that as a positive thing. At the moment, endless suck it and see is just exhausting. I'm just moaning really.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,639
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Concerns me seeing Starmer push for teacher vaccination over half term. That doesn’t actually do anything about schools being vectors for transmission to the wider community with most parents not being vaccinated yet. It also includes the baffling idea that a vaccinated teacher would still need to isolate?
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He’s a fuckwit. Send in teachers with the immunity of the first vaccination and the kids with none... and then 6 weeks later we have to shut down all over again and loads more people have died and we’ve lost all the momentum of the last 5 weeks.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,640
Ian1779 said:
He’s a fuckwit. Send in teachers with the immunity of the first vaccination and the kids with none... and then 6 weeks later we have to shut down all over again and loads more people have died and we’ve lost all the momentum of the last 5 weeks.
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In Australia, Perth has locked it all down for a week after just one confirmed case. The reasoning being that nailing down the transmission severely but swiftly saves pain down the road. Here the moment we don’t have a four figure death toll people want to open it all up.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,641
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In Australia, Perth has locked it all down for a week after just one confirmed case. The reasoning being that nailing down the transmission severely but swiftly saves pain down the road. Here the moment we don’t have a four figure death toll people want to open it all up.
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It’s obviously been said that half of all totals deaths have been since November... how many of them do you reckon were fuelled by the way we just flung schools back open in September. How can he not see that we need get this last bit right as we roll out vaccinations?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,642
Ian1779 said:
It’s obviously been said that half of all totals deaths have been since November... how many of them do you reckon were fuelled by the way we just flung schools back open in September. How can he not see that we need get this last bit right as we roll out vaccinations?
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We all saw the graphs that showed the most new cases were happening in students and school age people, then they showed surges in older people, which in due time reflected in hospitalisations and deaths. We fucking said this would happen but Boris wanted to stick it to the unions and thought putting teachers in boxes would be enough. It wasn’t and it won’t be this time either.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,643
Evo1883 said:
Hes absolutely correct, but fuck me I can't stand that twat.. He's vile
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Get tae fuck, ya wee radge
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,644

A year after Johnson’s swaggering Greenwich speech, 100,000 dead

The government says nobody could have done more but it’s clear poor leadership on Covid has brought the UK to this pass
www.google.co.uk
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,645
Evo1883 said:
Hes absolutely correct, but fuck me I can't stand that twat.. He's vile
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I like him
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,646
@Sick Boy - what is your view on this?

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.
www.bloomberg.com
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,647
Sobering and makes football crowds less likely for the whole of 2021

Would be terribly sad

Social distancing ‘may be in force until 2022’, Sage study suggests

Relaxation of social-distancing measures will cause another surge in deaths unless vaccination is a success, study warns
www.google.co.uk

Friend works in university of warwick on the modelling
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,648
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
@Sick Boy - what is your view on this?

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.
www.bloomberg.com
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First thing is it’s very old and only the first 2500 deaths
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,649
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
@Sick Boy - what is your view on this?

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.
www.bloomberg.com
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It’s an article from last March?
I think since then it’s been likely shown to not be the case. I know a girls dad who died recently who was 55 - he was overweight and a heavy smoker, possibly obesity is classed as an illness.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 31, 2021
  • #41,650
Sick Boy said:
It’s an article from last March?
I think since then it’s been likely shown to not be the case. I know a girls dad who died recently who was 55 - he was overweight and a heavy smoker, possibly obesity is classed as an illness.
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Yeah sorry, posted with absolutely no context.

I meant to ask if there had been a follow up report, and if you knew anything about it.
 
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